****Official NFL Scouting Combine 2009 Thread**** - Page 18

**doomy3** · 02-19-2009, 11:43 AM

With the Combine starting today, I thought it would be nice to have a thread with all updates from the Combine all in one place. Any player discussion from Indianapolis is welcome here.

**doomy3** · 02-24-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Of course he's going to fall down boards.

I'm not the dumbass ventriloquizing others by saying that he won't because of positional value.

If you want to use a strawman, then shove it up your ass. It will probably help with the hemorrhoids.

Actually, I didn't say shit about positional value. It is ironic to see Curry get knocked out of the top 3 because of positional value, but that doesn't seem to matter with Jenkins for some reason.

Maybe it's time you take another Xanax and chill the **** out.

**The Franchise** · 02-24-2009, 12:43 PM

So my two questions are:

1. With the combine performance that Conner Barwin put in this year.....is he worth a 2nd round pick?

2. Would he better suited for a 3-4 OLB in the NFL or a 4-3 DE? I know he stated that he thinks his position is an OLB...but he's never played it.

**doomy3** · 02-24-2009, 01:22 PM

Corners didn't run very fast times across the board today. A little underwhelming.

BigChiefFan · 02-24-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

You don't think his 40 time will effect his draft status? When I watch him play he looks like a S to me. I've read more then one place that if his 40s aren't fast teams will view him as a S prospect. As a CB he was being valued as a top 10 but as a S I bet he's not. I could be wrong I guess but I don't think so.

PhilFree

I heard Bellichek the other day, say he believed safeties have become more like corners than LBers, than like in the past. He said they are asked to cover WRs and TEs alot more and that they should have skills more similiar to corners than LBers. I think it's true and has been for some time, but had not realized than many other teams had still been looking for LBer type safties to fill their needs. I was blown away, at how many teams are still living in the stone ages.

philfree · 02-24-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I heard Bellichek the other day, say he believed safeties have become more like corners than LBers, than like in the past. He said they are asked to cover WRs and TEs alot more and that they should have skills more similiar to corners than LBers. I think it's true and has been for some time, but had not realized than many other teams had still been looking for LBer type safties to fill their needs. I was blown away, at how many teams are still living in the stone ages.

I think I heard the same thing.

PhilFree

BigChiefFan · 02-24-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I think I heard the same thing.

PhilFree

Who's your top pick for us?

philfree · 02-24-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Who's your top pick for us?

Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?

PhilFree

bdeg · 02-24-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?

PhilFree

How is Brown a reach when Raji isn't?

bowener · 02-24-2009, 02:01 PM

Im not trying to get off topic, I was just wanting to state that I am quite impressed with Ellison (SS-USC) putting up 32 bench reps, and 2 corners having 43" verticals or higher (45" for washington). I am in no way saying we should draft any of these players, I just thought they have exceptional numbers in a combine that seems to be rather short on any exceptional numbers this year.

Does anyone know if they are using a new system of timing for the 40? It seems last year there were players from all positions (not the OL/DL) that were running sub 4.3's and sub 4.4's easily. Maybe I am just hallucinating or something.

bowener · 02-24-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

How is Brown a reach when Raji isn't?

I am by far not an expert, but if Brown is slated to play a DE in a 43, it seems rather high to select him. He doesnt show that he can be a Mario Williams type of player. Raji may not be, but he seems to have the potential to be a game changer at NT for a 34 team (also a position that is much harder to find).

If Brown was to play OLB, he is not better than Curry, and it is hard to make an argument that Curry is worthy of the top 3-5.

bowener · 02-24-2009, 02:07 PM

Did anyone check out Gil Brandt's side notes in the combine articles this week?

I am sorry if it was brought up, but at the bottom of this page it shows you what coaches look for from each position at the combine, benchmarks for their drills.

BigChiefFan · 02-24-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?

PhilFree

I want the franchise QB, as well, but I'm really torn if Stafford should go before we pick. I think Sanchez' limited playing time, will scare teams away, especially with top 5 money.

MIAdragon · 02-24-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?

PhilFree

Seymour was picked at 6 when most mocks had him at worst going at 10 so I dont think so.

bdeg · 02-24-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I am by far not an expert, but if Brown is slated to play a DE in a 43, it seems rather high to select him. He doesnt show that he can be a Mario Williams type of player. Raji may not be, but he seems to have the potential to be a game changer at NT for a 34 team (also a position that is much harder to find).

If Brown was to play OLB, he is not better than Curry, and it is hard to make an argument that Curry is worthy of the top 3-5.

They really shouldn't be compared. Brown is a 3-4 olb with polished pass rushing moves whereas Curry has none.

My point was that before seniorbowl week, going off just the season, Brown was seen around 10-15, Raji closer to the 20s.

And yes, if we don't like a QB then it will seem like a high place to take whoever we do take. There's not good value, no way around that. I just don't think Raji is the answer.

philfree · 02-24-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Seymour was picked at 6 when most mocks had him at worst going at 10 so I dont think so.

That's not completely different. Brown is a top 15 and he's prone to move up. So it would be a little more of a reach but just a little more.

PhilFree

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