ESPN gave us a B draft grade. Does that make the pessimist happier?

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

This is a serious question. I'd make it a thread if it wouldn't make me look like a douchebag, but here goes:

Why does ChiefsPlanet exist? What are we supposed to do here? I've heard from more then 10 posters today that we "can't possibly know as much as Scott Pioli so how can [we] say that the draft was poor?" Certain posters, lets call us the "drafturbators" as Hootie is so fond of calling us, were told this ad nauseum. We shouldn't express an opinio because Pioli knows more than we do.

Naturally, that logic extends to all football discussion. Pioli knows more then we do, ergo we shouldn't be running our e-mouths about any football discussion. So, barring football discussion, what is is that posters on ChiefsPlanet are supposed to do?

I would say this place lives by the 80/20 rule in many ways. 20% of the people here make this place unpleasant for the other 80%.

Most of the time I like reading everyone's opinion on College FB..what I truly miss is the take of Hawaiian Boy (one of the earliest posters here and a very astute talent evaluator) who could disagree with you without insulting you. That happens way too much around here...people take themselves way too seriously and believe that they are the ultimate authority, pro or con. When you disagree instead of an intelligent debate it quickly degenerates into a "who can piss higher on the tree" contest. (The Pro-Pioli and Anti-Pioli delegates are way too loud this year)

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[Mecca]

Watch I will now provide a take as to why I think this draft creates issues that has nothing to do with Scott Pioli.

Everyone knows I like Mark Sanchez right...but when you decide you are going to trade for Matt Cassel and essentially say this is our guy, you don't set him up to fail.

When the Chiefs decided they would trade Tony Gonzalez, then go into the draft which was very deep at OL and WR and proceed to draft a bunch of defensive players in what is considered a weak defensive year. This is called being married to a defensive scheme and trying to shoehorn it in no matter what.

If you want to say Tyson Jackson was the right pick you can, but after that they really should have focused on the deep OL and WR positions in the draft. Leaving Matt Cassel with 1 dependable receiver and no upgrades on the Oline is just asking for him to look bad and get his brains beat in.

That is how you ruin a player, when you take a young guy and decide he is your franchise you do things to put him in a position to succeed not fail. What the Chiefs did this weekend was not fair to Matt Cassel.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Watch I will now provide a take as to why I think this draft creates issues that has nothing to do with Scott Pioli.

Everyone knows I like Mark Sanchez right...but when you decide you are going to trade for Matt Cassel and essentially say this is our guy, you don't set him up to fail.

When the Chiefs decided they would trade Tony Gonzalez, then go into the draft which was very deep at OL and WR and proceed to draft a bunch of defensive players in what is considered a weak defensive year. This is called being married to a defensive scheme and trying to shoehorn it in no matter what.

If you want to say Tyson Jackson was the right pick you can, but after that they really should have focused on the deep OL and WR positions in the draft. Leaving Matt Cassel with 1 dependable receiver and no upgrades on the Oline is just asking for him to look bad and get his brains beat in.

That is how you ruin a player, when you take a young guy and decide he is your franchise you do things to put him in a position to succeed not fail. What the Chiefs did this weekend was not fair to Matt Cassel.

The problem with this sort of argument is that it presumes:

That the Chiefs are now finished with any and all roster tweaks for the year

That helping the defense doesn't help the offense

That they didn't draft an O-lineman and a wide receiver even though they did

That you know more than the current regime


It's sloppy thinking. You're dealing with a 2 win team being overhauled here.

[ChiefRon]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Watch I will now provide a take as to why I think this draft creates issues that has nothing to do with Scott Pioli.

Everyone knows I like Mark Sanchez right...but when you decide you are going to trade for Matt Cassel and essentially say this is our guy, you don't set him up to fail.

When the Chiefs decided they would trade Tony Gonzalez, then go into the draft which was very deep at OL and WR and proceed to draft a bunch of defensive players in what is considered a weak defensive year. This is called being married to a defensive scheme and trying to shoehorn it in no matter what.

If you want to say Tyson Jackson was the right pick you can, but after that they really should have focused on the deep OL and WR positions in the draft. Leaving Matt Cassel with 1 dependable receiver and no upgrades on the Oline is just asking for him to look bad and get his brains beat in.

That is how you ruin a player, when you take a young guy and decide he is your franchise you do things to put him in a position to succeed not fail. What the Chiefs did this weekend was not fair to Matt Cassel.

I'm with you on this. That's why I was pissed about TG (so pissed I couldn't bring myself to make a reasonable post).

I wasn't pissed about "we got a 2nd rd and it wasn't good value" - it's great value for an aging TE even a HOF...

But you do that after obtaining what you perceive is a franchise QB?

And then proceed to pass on upgrading weapons / protection around him?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ChiefRon

I'm with you on this. That's why I was pissed about TG (so pissed I couldn't bring myself to make a reasonable post).

I wasn't pissed about "we got a 2nd rd and it wasn't good value" - it's great value for an aging TE even a HOF...

But you do that after obtaining what you perceive is a franchise QB?

And then proceed to pass on upgrading weapons / protection around him?

I'm skeptical of Cassel to begin with and now I feel like they aren't putting him in a good position......it's just like a big red flashing light.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm skeptical of Cassel to begin with and now I feel like they aren't putting him in a good position......it's just like a big red flashing light.

In Pioli He Trusts!
(the high dollar health insurance is just an afterthought)

[Mr. Flopnuts]

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

[Mecca]

I wanna see what the reaction to what I feel is a reasonable post is.

[Mecca]

I'm sorry I don't think you should ever put a QB in that position, yes they are a 2 win team that likely won't be good for a couple of years but they traded for Cassel saying he is their guy. You put him in a position to succeed.

You can build the defense just the same I just don't feel what they did over the course of this draft is good for developing Matt Cassel.

[MikeMaslowski]

Seems mecca and hootie have been having a blast this draft weekend... i bet their fingers are tired, i mean defending shit they say 24/7....

virgin boy needs to come back to take some of the heat off...

[Mecca]

And I would seriously hope those posts I made would make it pretty clear I don't want Matt Cassel to suck. Just because I prefer Sanchez doesn't mean I want him to suck if he sucks this franchise is going to be bad for a very long time.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs have needs everywhere...one of my biggest things was taking the wrong player or players. I think they completely whiffed on numerous high value picks that could have helped out quite a bit.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs have needs everywhere...one of my biggest things was taking the wrong player or players. I think they completely whiffed on numerous high value picks that could have helped out quite a bit.

But you don't know that. In fact, draft graders disagree with you. You're putting yourself above Pioli when he has no history of being a poor drafter. The team is not playing Dorsey on the nose, and yet they still drafted two ends. Taking defenders high to build the line is precisely how New England built its team up. It's also an approach that the Giants have been taking quite a bit this decade.

Even with Brady in the fold, the Patriots were taking players like Warren and Wilfork high in the first rather than wide receivers.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

But you don't know that. In fact, draft graders disagree with you. You're putting yourself above Pioli when he has no history of being a poor drafter. The team is not playing Dorsey on the nose, and yet they still drafted two ends. Taking defenders high to build the line is precisely how New England built its team up. It's also an approach that the Giants have been taking quite a bit this decade.

Even with Brady in the fold, the Patriots were taking players like Warren and Wilfork high in the first rather than wide receivers.

I'm not going to say they shouldn't have taken any DL look if they think Jackson is that important that's fine. But we aren't a bowl team right now..you can get by with some fool like Turk McBride playing.

I don't think it's fair to put Matt Cassel behind this line an give him those receivers and expect him to succeed.

And yes when I talk about players I'm going to go with what I think, maybe some scouts agree maybe some don't. I'm just going with what I would have done in the position if people disagree with me that's fine.

I just think there were to many whiff picks this year.