Chiefs Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves - Page 18

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-14-2009, 12:01 PM

Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves
May 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11743195

Five boldest moves

Kansas City hiring Scott Pioli

Some people automatically put this one in the win column. Not me. Not after Charlie Weis fizzled at Notre Dame and Romeo Crennel bombed out in Cleveland. OK, so they were former New England coaches, and Pioli was a decorated GM. They still fall from the same tree. The question I have is this: How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager.

The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud.

Five biggest gambles

Kansas City acquiring Matt Cassel

I know what he did with New England. But that was the Patriots, and tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code. Cassel was surrounded by a raft of talent on the field and on the sidelines in New England, and I'm still looking for that support group here. So he produced a couple of 400-yard passing games and won 10 of 15 starts. That was nice. But I want to see him reproduce it here. OK, I know what you're thinking: What do the Chiefs have to lose -- especially when all they surrendered for Cassel and Vrabel was a second-round draft pick? Try this: They're paying Cassel $14.65 million in guaranteed salary. If he turns out to be the next Scott Mitchell I know some bean counters in red suits who will demand explanations.

Chaunceythe3rd · 05-15-2009, 10:02 PM

Matt Cassel will be just fine. All he has to do is kick Todd Haley's ass at the first practice and show him who's boss. Worked just fine for Kurt Warner and the Cardinals.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-15-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd

Matt Cassel will be just fine. All he has to do is kick Todd Haley's ass at the first practice and show him who's boss. Worked just fine for Kurt Warner and the Cardinals.

Rrrrrrrrrright...

**Reaper16** · 05-15-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd

Matt Cassel will be just fine. All he has to do is kick Todd Haley's ass at the first practice and show him who's boss. Worked just fine for Kurt Warner and the Cardinals.

Tip: if you didn't want to be identified as Broncos fan troll, then you shouldn't have used a Denver sports star as your username.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-15-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Tip: if you didn't want to be identified as Broncos fan troll, then you shouldn't have used a Denver sports star as your username.

Donkey in the house you say?! Where's my mule whip?!

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Tip: if you didn't want to be identified as Broncos fan troll, then you shouldn't have used a Denver sports star as your username.

Search for his posts and read them, they're all hilarious and oddly identical - it's obvious Todd Haley ran over his dog.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-16-2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Search for his posts and read them, they're all hilarious and oddly identical - it's obvious Todd Haley ran over his dog.

He's projecting future-hate.

For about the next 10 to 15 years.
It's gonna' be a loooong stretch of misery for Donks in the AFC West. And playing the Chiefs? Fahgedda' about it. Our only competition in this division for the next 3 to 4 years is Sandy Bunghole.

And that too will pass.

milkman · 05-16-2009, 07:34 AM

As I read through this thread, as I understand it, some people seem to think that those of us in the Sanchez camp were responsible ofr all the aggressive posts and name calling over the last three or four months.

But the fact is, the name calling started with people attacking mecca, who has taken a lot of abuse over the years, and attacking those of us that agreed with defended mecca's position.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-16-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

As I read through this thread, as I understand it, some people seem to think that those of us in the Sanchez camp were responsible for all the aggressive posts and name calling over the last three or four months.

But the fact is, the name calling started with people attacking mecca, who has taken a lot of abuse over the years, and attacking those of us that agreed with defended mecca's position.

What REALLY dialed it up was when the people who polled "No" on Cassel began denying they voted that way after Cassel was acquired.

Two-face doesn't play well with ANY honest person, sports fan or not!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-16-2009, 07:56 AM

ADDENDUM:

Some people just can't WAIT to get their "Follow The Herd" on.

Chiefnj2 · 05-16-2009, 08:01 AM

I like the revisionist history going on in this thread how Mecca, Hamas, OTWP and others are all the victims. That's a complete crock of shit.

For over a month the draft forum became a place where a group of 6 or 7 jumped all over anyone who didn't agree with their take on Sanchez. People were ridden out of the forum if they even wanted to discuss another possible prospect- you're an idiot, true fan syndrome, Chief fans are so browbeaten by Carl they are afraid to take a QB, if you don't want Sanchez you are a fan of 8-8 syndrome, we don't need a LB, we don't need an offensive lineman, you don't understand draft value, etc., etc., etc.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

As I read through this thread, as I understand it, some people seem to think that those of us in the Sanchez camp were responsible ofr all the aggressive posts and name calling over the last three or four months.

But the fact is, the name calling started with people attacking mecca, who has taken a lot of abuse over the years, and attacking those of us that agreed with defended mecca's position.

Dude, come on.

The name-calling came from both sides. The "he started it" stuff is so elementary school.

Mecca's dished out just as much, if not more, abuse over the years as he's taken. He's not a victim.

Some of us here have taken INFINITELY more abuse from the "haters" over the years than Mecca will ever have to endure, so this whole episode is becoming downright comical.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

What REALLY dialed it up was when the people who polled "No" on Cassel began denying they voted that way after Cassel was acquired.

Two-face doesn't play well with ANY honest person, sports fan or not!

Um, I voted "NO" on the Cassel poll. I was absolutely AGAINST trading the #3 overall pick for him, which at that point was part of the discussion. We traded a 2nd round pick for him, which COMPLETELY changes the question.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-16-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Um, I voted "NO" on the Cassel poll. I was absolutely AGAINST trading the #3 overall pick for him, which at that point was part of the discussion. We traded a 2nd round pick for him, which COMPLETELY changes the question.

It may change the question, but it sure as hell doesn't change the PERSON in question, Kimosabbe!

milkman · 05-16-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

It may change the question, but it sure as hell doesn't change the PERSON in question, Kimosabbe!

But it does change the value.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

It may change the question, but it sure as hell doesn't change the PERSON in question, Kimosabbe!

What's that supposed to mean?

The difference in value between the #34 and #3 pick is almost an entire draft worth of picks. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being against trading the #3 pick but not being against the trading the #34 pick.

05-14-2009, 12:01 PM
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves May 13, 2009 By Clark Judge CBSSports.com Senior Writer http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11743195 Five boldest moves Kansas City hiring Scott Pioli Some people automatically put this one in the win column. Not me. Not after Charlie Weis fizzled at Notre Dame and Romeo Crennel bombed out in Cleveland. OK, so they were former New England coaches, and Pioli was a decorated GM. They still fall from the same tree. The question I have is this: How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager. The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud. Five biggest gambles Kansas City acquiring Matt Cassel I know what he did with New England. But that was the Patriots, and tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code. Cassel was surrounded by a raft of talent on the field and on the sidelines in New England, and I'm still looking for that support group here. So he produced a couple of 400-yard passing games and won 10 of 15 starts. That was nice. But I want to see him reproduce it here. OK, I know what you're thinking: What do the Chiefs have to lose -- especially when all they surrendered for Cassel and Vrabel was a second-round draft pick? Try this: They're paying Cassel $14.65 million in guaranteed salary. If he turns out to be the next Scott Mitchell I know some bean counters in red suits who will demand explanations.
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