Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 18

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Hey, we don't agree and I respect that. Still, I stand by my comment: if Pioli needed one full season to evaluate the existing talent on this team, he is the most incompetent GM in the league.

Maybe it's the water in KC then because he was pretty good at his job before he was hired by the Chiefs. I think his body of work before he was hired by the Chiefs says more than what has transpired since. What happens the next couple of years will say something though.

PhilFree

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Maybe it's the water in KC then because he was pretty good at his job before he was hired by the Chiefs. I think his body of work before he was hired by the Chiefs says more than what has transpired since. What happens the next couple of years will say something though.

PhilFree

You know he wasn't the GM in NE right?

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 01:33 PM

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Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:33 PM

NE has cash and it's saved them because their recent drafts have sucked the serious cock.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You know he wasn't the GM in NE right?

Yeah.

PhilFree

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Uh how is saying Jason Brown a fail? He signed with the Rams he was going to the highest bidder, I guess the Chiefs have no money to spend eh?

they basically had a boatload of cash on his lawn at 12:01 and really, some of the same "dumb" arguments would be shouted about Pioli if he had signed a center for 8 million/yr. Dont say that isnt accurate, because it is. Just because you need a car and have 20k, doesnt mean you spent 20k on a car worth 10-12k.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:38 PM

It really doesn't matter what I say.
I still have faith in Pioli.
I don't think he has screwed up the way you guys do.
If that makes me an idiot, so be it.
Only time will tell who is wrong or right.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:38 PM

I'm fine with spending money when it's there to spend...especially when you might be about to enter an uncapped year and the league in general being uncapped.

By the time the team is really good his contract is one that could easily come off the books.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Maybe it's the water in KC then because he was pretty good at his job before he was hired by the Chiefs. I think his body of work before he was hired by the Chiefs says more than what has transpired since. What happens the next couple of years will say something though.

PhilFree

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Originally Posted by philfree

Yeah.

PhilFree

So we should demote Pioli and bring in the Hoodie's man sack. Is that what you're advocating?

**Reaper16** · 12-16-2009, 01:38 PM

I don't think that patience and logical talent acquisition are mutually exclusive.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Pathetic.

It means something, but just not too much.

Kind of like your posts?

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Kind of like your posts?

.

Yeah, my posts. Or any of the other posts on a ****ing football message board.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Wow, your insight is just invaluable around here

As is yours.

"Pioli ****ed up", and "you are and idiot" can only be said so many times, in so many ways.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:42 PM

Ok, so Pioli has taken a lot of heat from some of the posters in this thread, but let's ask a more specific question to those whose faith is still unwavering:

What has Pioli done well? What are his successes in KC thus far? Please be specific.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Uh how is saying Jason Brown a fail? He signed with the Rams he was going to the highest bidder, I guess the Chiefs have no money to spend eh?

Obviously paid big dividends for the Rams. I feel like they could have addressed the o line more then the minimal they did but come on man.

PhilFree

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-16-2009, 01:33 PM	#259
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12-16-2009, 01:38 PM	#262
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3878036	It really doesn't matter what I say. I still have faith in Pioli. I don't think he has screwed up the way you guys do. If that makes me an idiot, so be it. Only time will tell who is wrong or right.
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12-16-2009, 01:38 PM	#263
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I'm fine with spending money when it's there to spend...especially when you might be about to enter an uncapped year and the league in general being uncapped. By the time the team is really good his contract is one that could easily come off the books.
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