NFL Draft We are not taking a QB in the first round - Page 18

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oh cmon half the fan base thinks we should take an OT, most fans are stupid.

Okung or Clausen are equally stupid. The whole "move Albert to guard" is just as stupid.

Just Passin' By · 01-01-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That means a lot coming from you.

As it should.

Mecca · 01-01-2010, 09:36 PM

At least with QB you can argue it's an important position the OT thing makes no sense. But no we won't take a QB regardless, Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up already.

I know this I don't discuss drafting QB's much.

**doomy3** · 01-01-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

At least with QB you can argue it's an important position the OT thing makes no sense. But no we won't take a QB regardless, Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up already.

I know this I don't discuss drafting QB's much.

You don't think OT is an important position?

milkman · 01-01-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

You don't think OT is an important position?

I'm guessing it's a poorly worded post.

Mecca · 01-01-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

You don't think OT is an important position?

Not a RT no.

keg in kc · 01-01-2010, 09:54 PM

I think it's a great idea to take a RT high. If he doesn't make it you at least have a guard.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2010, 10:02 PM

Back on topic, there's no way it happens, even though if CC is the BPA on the board, it should.

Personally, I don't think that Cassel would respond well to the team drafting a young QB. I don't think he's got the mental toughness to deal with it.

Christ, we're talking about a guy that pushed away one of his offensive linemen who was trying to help him up, and recently got pissy at Gretz at the suggestion he had played two bad games - compiling a combined 50 QB rating between the two.

Then he goes on to say that he had graded out perfect in the Buffalo game, making no mental errors - in a game in which he threw 4 INT's, and had a 35.4 QB rating.

Looks like the organization is coddling the guy because he can't handle criticism.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-01-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

look at the 10 teams that will draft after us that are in need of franchise qbs

bucs...out of game /Freeman
redskins...new gm/hc...new QB?
browns...they need one, but might not be done with Quinn yet
seahawks...they need one
bills...they need one
bears...they need one

titans...out of picture
49ers...need one and have multiple first rounders.
jaguars...need one
panthers...need one

Thats a pretty good market of teams that would be competing for his rights if we took him in an Eli Manning scenario.

If Suh and Berry are off the board and we feel we can get similar value at a lower spot, we should take Claussen and trade his rights.

Agreed. Especially a guy like Holmgren, who's a QB guru and will undoubtedly want to make his stamp on the team by bringing in a franchise QB. And Brady Quinn aien't it--I can assure you of that.

Touchdown Bowe · 01-02-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

look at the 10 teams that will draft after us that are in need of franchise qbs

bucs...out of game /Freeman
redskins...new gm/hc...new QB?
browns...they need one, but might not be done with Quinn yet
seahawks...they need one
bills...they need one
bears...they need one

titans...out of picture
49ers...need one and have multiple first rounders.
jaguars...need one
panthers...need one

Thats a pretty good market of teams that would be competing for his rights if we took him in an Eli Manning scenario.

If Suh and Berry are off the board and we feel we can get similar value at a lower spot, we should take Claussen and trade his rights.

Or we could keep Clausen and attempt to trade Cassel after next season?

acesn8s · 01-02-2010, 01:36 AM

I thought Croyle was supposed to save our ass?

As I have said for three years now, it does not matter who the QB is if he is laying on the ground. The OL needs addressed. It doesn't need to be done thru the draft, in fact, free agency would be better. A no-name RB can become great behind a good line and a QB looks better when given time to throw. Look at Brady, looks normal when the line doesn't protect but looks like a god when they do. Same with Peyton. Every team tries to pressure Manning but is line usually gives him enough time. An OL can also help control the clock late in the game. This helps the defense tremendously.

But what do I know? Let's draft another D-lineman. It has worked so well in the past!

**BossChief** · 01-02-2010, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Touchdown Bowe

Or we could keep Clausen and attempt to trade Cassel after next season?

damn man, how'd you get those red bars when everyone elses are green?

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Originally Posted by acesn8s

I thought Croyle was supposed to save our ass?

As I have said for three years now, it does not matter who the QB is if he is laying on the ground. The OL needs addressed. It doesn't need to be done thru the draft, in fact, free agency would be better. A no-name RB can become great behind a good line and a QB looks better when given time to throw. Look at Brady, looks normal when the line doesn't protect but looks like a god when they do. Same with Peyton. Every team tries to pressure Manning but is line usually gives him enough time. An OL can also help control the clock late in the game. This helps the defense tremendously.

But what do I know? Let's draft another D-lineman. It has worked so well in the past!

So what you are saying is that we need to draft John Tait at the #3 pick, or else?

Just because our line is bad, doesnt mean you spend the #3 pick there.

If there was a Willie Roaf type guy in this draft, I would be the first guy to be on that bandwagon, but there isnt. There just isnt.

This is the biggest reason I have been backing Suh all year, he is the DL equivalent of having a Willie Roaf.

We need to come out of the draft with a game changer at 3 and I just dont see an olinemen that is that guy at 3 this year.

1) Suh...Berry
2a) Mike Iupati...Jerry Hughes
2b) Arelious Benn...Brandon Spikes
3) George Selvie...Tony Moeaki
4) Myron Rolle...
5a)bpa
5b)bpa
5c)bpa

That could give us some more pieces. Im sure there are many here that can put up a better mock, but that would definetly help

Just because we have spent on the DL in the past doesn't mean we pass on the best prospect at DL since Reggie White.

TheGuardian · 01-02-2010, 08:14 AM

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If there was a Willie Roaf type guy in this draft, I would be the first guy to be on that bandwagon, but there isnt. There just isnt.

Another fine quote by boss.

I agree, if there was some once in a lifetime left time this year, I wouldn't have a problem at that point in thinking about moving Albert and drafting him. But Albert has picked up his game after a slow start and is looking just fine now. Hell, if there was a Steve Hutchinson in this draft, I'd even be ok with taking a guard that high IF it was a Steve Hutchinson. THERE ISN'T.

Second, the line has been pretty solid the last 4 games and I think having some continuity this offseason will help it. Do we still need a few upgrades? Sure. But more than likely Charles is going to go over a grand and Cassel has had plenty of time the last few weeks.

So we go where we need the most help on the whole team IMO, and that's safety. We do NOT have a game changer at safety. And I think someone noted recently that Troy Polamalu was worth something like 14 points to the Steelers defense. We know the difference Bob Sanders and Ed Reed make the those defenses when they are in there. So for whatever reason safety is really undervalued but can make a gigantic difference in terms of the dynamics on defense.

suds79 · 01-02-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Second, the line has been pretty solid the last 4 games and I think having some continuity this offseason will help it. Do we still need a few upgrades? Sure. But more than likely Charles is going to go over a grand and Cassel has had plenty of time the last few weeks.

Exactly.

It's important to note that the O-line has gone from horribly bad at the beginning of the year to average.

We all of a sudden have good enough play at RG (Wade) & RT (O'Callaghan).

Now if we just address Center and possibly LG (don't know if Waters will be back or not) and we have something.

That doesn't mean that Wade & O'Callaghan arn't replaceable. But with our other needs, they're serviceable for the time being.

philfree · 01-02-2010, 08:55 AM

"We are not taking a QB in the first round"

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"!

Sounds kind of a like. (Which on a side note how can Clinton keep his job as president after the "Mess On The Dress" but Tiger loses all his sponsors for teeing up a dozen or so babes....C'mon Man!) I digress.

PhilFree

01-01-2010, 10:32 AM
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6315299	We are not taking a QB in the first round Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn. Just keep reading the title of this thread until it **ing sinks in. And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy. I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth. "He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are **ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it. Thank you and have a nice new years day.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-602950	At least with QB you can argue it's an important position the OT thing makes no sense. But no we won't take a QB regardless, Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up already. I know this I don't discuss drafting QB's much.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2121115	Back on topic, there's no way it happens, even though if CC is the BPA on the board, it should. Personally, I don't think that Cassel would respond well to the team drafting a young QB. I don't think he's got the mental toughness to deal with it. Christ, we're talking about a guy that pushed away one of his offensive linemen who was trying to help him up, and recently got pissy at Gretz at the suggestion he had played two bad games - compiling a combined 50 QB rating between the two. Then he goes on to say that he had graded out perfect in the Buffalo game, making no mental errors - in a game in which he threw 4 INT's, and had a 35.4 QB rating. Looks like the organization is coddling the guy because he can't handle criticism.
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01-02-2010, 01:36 AM	#266
acesn8s MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Here Casino cash: $10007119	I thought Croyle was supposed to save our ass? As I have said for three years now, it does not matter who the QB is if he is laying on the ground. The OL needs addressed. It doesn't need to be done thru the draft, in fact, free agency would be better. A no-name RB can become great behind a good line and a QB looks better when given time to throw. Look at Brady, looks normal when the line doesn't protect but looks like a god when they do. Same with Peyton. Every team tries to pressure Manning but is line usually gives him enough time. An OL can also help control the clock late in the game. This helps the defense tremendously. But what do I know? Let's draft another D-lineman. It has worked so well in the past! __________________ Let's not take another 50 years.
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2093802	"We are not taking a QB in the first round" "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"! Sounds kind of a like. (Which on a side note how can Clinton keep his job as president after the "Mess On The Dress" but Tiger loses all his sponsors for teeing up a dozen or so babes....C'mon Man!) I digress. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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