Chiefs "Alex Smith makes your defense better" - Page 18

temper11 · 06-29-2015, 02:58 PM

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And your damn excuses for the ol... Yes, they sucked, but

There is no but....

The OL sucked, and considering the remarkably high number of 3 step drops, that just makes their level of suck all the more wretched.

PFF has them at 8th worst in pass pro.. and Outsiders has them at 5th worst.

We can sit here and dicker about specific rank. Either way, it comes back to the acceptance that they were a pile of shit, bottom tier OL.

Now can good/great QBs overcome this and excel anyway? I'd say some can, if they have excellent WRs to throw to. Did we? shit no.

So how many good/great QBs overcome a trash OL and trash WRs?

This has only been answered with 1 name... 1 name the haters have legitimately come up with.. Russell Wilson.

Now RW is a pretty good QB, but aside from his extra ability to evade and scramble, he basically is a more aggressive Alex Smith. Both guys can run, but RW has more Vick-like evasion. They are in the same ballpark as QBs though. People can deny it all they want, but both are high on the 2nd tier of QBs right now.

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RW3 - last 56 games.. regular and postseason

917 comp - 1454 att - 63% acc - 84 TDs - 32 INTs - 18 fumbles - 98.3 rating

AS11 - last 56 games.. regular and postseason

1032 comp - 1675 att - 61.6% acc - 78 TDs - 22 INTs - 18 fumbles - 102.5 rating

duncan_idaho · 07-23-2015, 06:59 AM

Bows down to Sorter.

If the first go-round was Tyson/Spinks, that was Dalton vs. the town of Jasper in Roadhouse, complete with throat-rip finisher.

Mother****erJones · 07-23-2015, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

These 49er ****s are seriously deranged. I've never even heard of a group of fans cherry-picking to prop up an average player whose greatest NFL accomplishments to date are:

1. Getting to the NFCCG
2. Winning 1 playoff game
3. Having the best passer rating over 8 games for one season
4. Losing a playoff game in which he played quite well in

At least Mav acknowledges that "Hey, Alex isn't the greatest. It isn't all his fault but he ****s up".

Alex doesn't make a ****ing defense better. In fact, he makes it worse by putting all the pressure on them to keep the leads down and make the clutch plays to set him up. These 49er fans are clueless except for Mav.

Mother****erJones · 07-23-2015, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Didn't think CP needed another Alex Smith bashing thread so I just threw this in an already made Alex Smith bashing thread...

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ns-qb-rankings

I believe the phrase goes "No duh! Where'd ya park the squad car Dick Tracy?!"

rico · 07-23-2015, 07:51 AM

Ahhh!!!! HHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

God, Sorter is awesome.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-23-2015, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Alex doesn't make a ****ing defense better. In fact, he makes it worse by putting all the pressure on them to keep the leads down and make the clutch plays to set him up. These 49er fans are clueless except for Mav.

Alex can make the defense better... When he does his job. Extend drives to keep them off the field, drain clock to keep them fresh, force opposing offenses to use long fields.

Last year he did that well in the middle of the season. But over half of the games he's played as a chief, he hasn't and the defense had to bail our offense out.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-23-2015, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

There is no but....

The OL sucked, and considering the remarkably high number of 3 step drops, that just makes their level of suck all the more wretched.

PFF has them at 8th worst in pass pro.. and Outsiders has them at 5th worst.

We can sit here and dicker about specific rank. Either way, it comes back to the acceptance that they were a pile of shit, bottom tier OL.

Now can good/great QBs overcome this and excel anyway? I'd say some can, if they have excellent WRs to throw to. Did we? shit no.

So how many good/great QBs overcome a trash OL and trash WRs?

This has only been answered with 1 name... 1 name the haters have legitimately come up with.. Russell Wilson.

Now RW is a pretty good QB, but aside from his extra ability to evade and scramble, he basically is a more aggressive Alex Smith. Both guys can run, but RW has more Vick-like evasion. They are in the same ballpark as QBs though. People can deny it all they want, but both are high on the 2nd tier of QBs right now.

Is this a serious comment. Aaron Rodgers won a Super Bowl with pretty much his entire offense missing. Peyton Mannings final years with the Colts he played with an atrocious ol... He also played mvp football in Denver two years ago with pretty much his entire ol injured. Brees several years ago did it with a banged up ol and wr injuries that forced terrence copper to be their #2. Brady made the afcg with Gaffney and reche Caldwell as his #1 and #2. Big Ben has won many games with a trash ol.

Again, it does not excuse bad play. But stop with the bullshit that because the supporting cast didn't do their job that absolves Smith from all blame. There are plenty of things he can do to elevate the play of his teammates that he does very inconsistently.

**Dave Lane** · 07-23-2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Alex doesn't make a ****ing defense better. In fact, he makes it worse by putting all the pressure on them to keep the leads down and make the clutch plays to set him up. These 49er fans are clueless except for Mav.

They have totally taken my enjoyment of watching the game of football away from me. I wish he'd get caught raping a midget tree sloth so we could move on. The excuse crap is unbelievable. This team is now without excuses, if Alex even fails a little its 100% on him.

Mr. Plow · 07-23-2015, 08:38 AM

These SF trolls are the worst.

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 09:05 AM

They really are..

This conversation should have ended after Sorter's post but here the resident Alex Smith ball sniffer comes in with another clueless post.

I've named four or five instances where a QB excelled with shitty WR and OL and he ignores every one of them.

"Well those guys are really good. Name a shittier QB so it will fit my narrative!"

Packfan12 · 07-23-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Which hurt more, the barn burner in 2003 or us ending your undefeated streak in 2011?

2003 by far. We had you guys beat and gave up a 3 TD lead to lose in overtime. That one hurt for a week.

Packfan12 · 07-23-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

I honestly think we can beat GB at GB. We match up well with them

I am willing to put a sign bet down on the game. If we beat Seattle then we will be confident going into the game against you guys. If we lose against Seattle then we will be demoralized and you guys have a shot to beat us.

**RealSNR** · 07-23-2015, 09:13 AM

So we're back to sticking our fingers in our ears and going LALALALALALALALALA OFFENSIVE LINE LALAALALAALALALA

"But Alex Smith..."

LALALALLA OFFENSIVE LINE

"Andy Reid..."

OFFENSIVE LINE! LALALALA! I CAN'T HEEEEAAAR YOOOUUUU

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Packfan12

2003 by far. We had you guys beat and gave up a 3 TD lead to lose in overtime. That one hurt for a week.

Make that a four TD lead in the playoffs and you'll know how we felt January of 2014.

Packfan12 · 07-23-2015, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Make that a four TD lead in the playoffs and you'll know how we felt January of 2014.

I kinda like KC though so I got over it. 2011 hurt too. What do you think about this year's game?

06-29-2015, 02:58 PM
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ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1817631	They really are.. This conversation should have ended after Sorter's post but here the resident Alex Smith ball sniffer comes in with another clueless post. I've named four or five instances where a QB excelled with shitty WR and OL and he ignores every one of them. "Well those guys are really good. Name a shittier QB so it will fit my narrative!"
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