Chiefs press conference on Tyreek Hill

[RealSNR]

Starting a whole new thread about this because I think it's a pretty important to get the justification and story from the people who made the pick. Was posted in the original thread, but I know it's going to get lost in the still vibrant discussion.

Basically, Dorsey would normally let his scout team handle questions about the last day so he can do UDFA stuff, but he felt he needed to address the press and media about it before too many stories got carried away. So they spent basically a full 20 minutes discussing the morality of picking somebody like Hill.

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...c-90e1d8adc228

For people who don't really care to listen, Dorsey and Reid basically give a single answer: "We've done our homework, so please trust us."

Props go to Terez Paylor for asking the tough and pointed questions about this. He's got some balls as a journalist that I've never seen out of the KC Star.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

In this case, he would probably be stoned. By Moses.

well then that means he wouldn't have been drafted and this thread is a mute point

[PutQuinnIn]

I put her through so much and she still riding for me

— Hill (@ImFasterThanYa) October 1, 2014

What does this mean?

[go bo]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Dane, you're smarter than this.

First of all, to clear up my position, I'm not saying that Hill is innocent of any wrongdoing in this case. I'm suggesting that there is more to this story and that I don't believe everything that she claims happened.

In a he said, she said case like this with no witnesses, how do you propose Hill prove his innocence? A crying, pregnant woman would take the stand and tell a gruesome story about being pinched in the face, choked, thrown to the ground, and hit in the stomach. That would be followed up by a muscular football player taking the stand and saying that he didn't do all the things he's being accused of. What do you think happens after that?

A smart lawyer will tell the accused to take a plea deal in a case like this every time. It kept Hill out of jail and allowed him to attend a different university.

yep, and charge a hefty sum for their services...

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Dane, you're smarter than this.

First of all, to clear up my position, I'm not saying that Hill is innocent of any wrongdoing in this case. I'm suggesting that there is more to this story and that I don't believe everything that she claims happened.

In a he said, she said case like this with no witnesses, how do you propose Hill prove his innocence? A crying, pregnant woman would take the stand and tell a gruesome story about being pinched in the face, choked, thrown to the ground, and hit in the stomach. That would be followed up by a muscular football player taking the stand and saying that he didn't do all the things he's being accused of. What do you think happens after that?

A smart lawyer will tell the accused to take a plea deal in a case like this every time. It kept Hill out of jail and allowed him to attend a different university.

Because the evidence is stacked against him would be why someone would take a plea deal here.

Settling in this instance, if you're truly innocent, would be reeruned when you're risking millions.

[go bo]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

Not sure if anyone else has had a similar experience but here goes:

I grew up with Domestic violence, one of my earliest memories of my father is him beating the shit out of my mother. On one occasion whilst my twin brother and I (6 years old at the time) had jumped on his back trying to protect our mom. Another time on the night my mom left him he broke my eldest brothers arm as a parting gift.

Fast forward another 7 years and as young teenagers we had to endure this happen again with his partner at the time when we saw him at the weekends.

I hate my dad for what he made us see and hear, I know he is a piece of shit and I tell him every chance I get. What is worse he has never apologised or owned what he did. My mom always preached forgiveness and reconciliation, She told me he would kick her when she was pregnant with me. At my eldest brothers funeral in 2001 I watched my mother and my father speak for the first in a long long time.

Whenever my emotions get the better of me mom always says it's me he hit not you If I can put it behind me so can you, and despite all he put her through she would never wish harm on him. I don't know how she does it, if that is the church going Christian in her but when I hear people on here,twitter or facebook saying how he should blow out his knee or neck I am reminded of what my mom says and also wonder what the victim who had to endure that violence that night thinks.

So I am torn on this I hate those people who say because they are prepared to forgive this guy and give him a chance they are supporting DV and VAW. If that were true my mother and no doubt other women would be/should be accused of the same.

Fast forward to the modern day and I still think my dad is a piece of shit (that will never change), because he is and a drunk ass hole but I let him play with my 5 year old daughter, meet my wife, I visit him 3-4 times a year when he live 4-5 hours away. But because of his I must be supporting DV and VAW?

Sorry for the long post I have been reading about this all day and had a few beers.

thanks for taking the time to share...

lots of people have not been personally exposed to dv situations and it makes it easier to understand when someone who grew up in such a situation tells their story...

i admire your courage...

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Because the evidence is stacked against him would be why someone would take a plea deal here.

Settling in this instance, if you're truly innocent, would be reeruned when you're risking millions.

If you can't prove your innocence, then what does it matter?

I asked this earlier and nobody answered, but how would you propose he prove his innocence in a purely he said, she said situation?

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

If you can't prove your innocence, then what does it matter?

I asked this earlier and nobody answered, but how would you propose he prove his innocence in a purely he said, she said situation?

Jump up and down and scream "I'm innocent" until some really high powered attorney hears you and feels pity for you to take your case pro bono and work off hours for the next 5 years until he can find that one witness.....

[BryanBusby]

Yeah because there aren't bagmen allover Stillwater

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by PutQuinnIn

I put her through so much and she still riding for me

— Hill (@ImFasterThanYa) October 1, 2014

What does this mean?

Battered Wife/gf syndrome still willing to take him back maybe ?? Or maybe there is real forgiveness because she sees his authentic change and repentance of what he has done and she wants a family with her child being with the child's real father. Battered syndrome or authentic forgiveness/repentance she is smart enough to see potential big $$ down the road as well. Remember Rice's wife coming out chastising the NFL for blackballing him? What do you think she was all about ???? I seriously doubt Hill's baby mama is doing this because from his own mouth she has still stuck with him when he was totally down an out. Maybe this is really authentic remorse from Hill.

Hunt,Dorsey and Reid think so.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Yeah because there aren't bagmen allover Stillwater

NCAA has allowed for legal representation provided by colleges. If Tyreek wanted to make the case for his innocence, I'm sure there is a decent defense attorney living in Tulsa or OKC that looks back upon his days at Okie State with fondness..

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Battered Wife/gf syndrome still willing to take him back maybe ?? Or maybe there is real forgiveness because she sees his authentic change and repentance of what he has done and she wants a family with her child being with the child's real father. Battered syndrome or authentic forgiveness/repentance she is smart enough to see potential big $$ down the road as well. Remember Rice's wife coming out chastising the NFL for blackballing him? What do you think she was all about ???? I seriously doubt Hill's baby mama is doing this because from his own mouth she has still stuck with him when he was totally down an out. Maybe this is really authentic remorse from Hill.

Hunt,Dorsey and Reid think so.

But she shouldn't be allowed to reap his rewards. He is a shit bag that should be forced to work 10 jobs to put government cheese on the table for his kid.

[teedubya]

Originally Posted by nychief

In this bizzaro world where he doesn't treat his girlfriend like Talia Shire in the Godfather does he stay at OK State, become a Heisman finalist, and end up a top 10 pick? Oh, also, he stops Isis.

Dude, he's going to stop ISIS? What a great pick. No wonder, Chunt is on board!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

But she shouldn't be allowed to reap his rewards. He is a shit bag that should be forced to work 10 jobs to put government cheese on the table for his kid.

You're hyperbole has reached epic proportions.

And your complete disregard for the victim is troubling.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're hyperbole has reached epic proportions.

And your complete disregard for the victim is troubling.

If anything this is looking out for the victim. She will be recieving child support payments regardless of their relationship status. They will be hefty child support checks too.

I think it is you who is completely disregards the victim by insinuating that she isn't worthy of $5k/month child support but only $150/mo from his burger flipping job.

[DenverChief]

Punishment should meet the stated objectives to reintegrate offenders into society not as a retributive tool to forever punish an individual. There are very few offenses where offenders punishment should not be to reintegrate them into society but to forever strip them of freedom.