The "I just got back from the gym" and this is what I have eaten thread.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Okay, so there are a ton of guys in here that are working out, trying to work out, or 'thinking' about working out.

So, I figured I would start a thread. I am all about making myself accountable. The more people that I tell about working out, the more people I would let down by not going.

If you go to the gym.... then post here when you get back. If you do P90X, post here when you get done. If you ride the excercise bike.... post it here.

Anything you do to get in shape.... share with the board. I know I have gotten some great advice and feedback.

Also, post what you eat. If you post everything you eat, and you know others will be critical, you may think twice before you grab a Twinkie.

Okay, so, I went to the gym. I did five minutes on the cross climber to warm up. I stretched for about three minutes.

Then, I did three sets of squats with just 135. I did back extensions and hanging leg lifts. Three sets each. I did leg curls, calf extensions, abductor and adductor excercises as well.

On my leg day, I do very light chest exercises to work on my explosive power. I do three sets of six pushups as explosively as I can. I throw the excercise ball up like a chest pass while laying on the bench.

Then, I finished off my workout with 30 minutes on the eliptical.

As far as my diet.

Breakfast two pieces of peanut butter whole wheat toast, protein shake, and banana.

I have had another banana, two yogurts, and a handful of cashews as snacks.

I didn't have a 'lunch' per se.

Kids had sloppy joes with lean beef (as if that makes it great).... I took a baked potato, and put a serving of sloppy joe over it, with jalapenos and 2 oz's of lowfat cheddar cheese.

I have also had shotgun with water, and synthesize with water.

I won't eat again before bed.


Okay, I know putting everything down here will open me up to criticism. I know some will think that I am doing things all wrong. I appreciate any advice, but I have done a lot of reading and talking to trainers.... so, I have an idea of what I am doing.... or at least what I think I am doing.

The point of this thread, isn't to get into pissing matches about how to do things.... but rather to give ourselves a gold star for making an effort.

Try not to beat anyone down on this thread, because this is about encouragement.

[Silock]

The detoxification stuff is bullshit, but the rest seems to be in line with accepted research.

[Hammock Parties]

In addition, there is a reduction in core body temperature.

THAT'S why I felt cold today!

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Silock

That depends on your definition of "low." In the muscles, glycogen levels should be high (which is normal, because your muscles have that energy for immediate use). In the liver, it's low because the liver makes glycogen from the breakdown of carbs for energy, but you still have plenty of liver glycogen available. There's still more than enough energy that you're not going to by straight up using fat for energy; that would be a ridiculously bad evolutionary adaption. The fat burn is going to come later. The difference is that if you are on a reduced calorie diet, the energy you burned is replaced by excess fat stores in the body instead of from your diet.

And where is this high concentration of glucose in the muscle cells going to come from?

My point is, we live in a society where low-carb diets are highly publicized and are the so-called thingys for fat burning nowadays.

And suppose a majority follow the low carb plan, where on earth is this high concentration of glucose in the muscle cells going to come from when youre not supplying it from your diet to begin with?

Unless, you want to make that argument that protein is broken down in the muscle tissue because the body doesn't have "enough" of glucose and wants to make more of it from protein and use it as a preference so it makes glucose since it prefers it first before anything else and will do what it can to get its hands on it to meet the demands of physical activity so it can supply itself with energy.

[Hammock Parties]

This is my little brother BeeJay who is only 14 years old. He has always been an AMAZING inspiration to be as a little brother. As an older brother the day he was born I signed a contract for life to help him mentally and physically. So when i really notice he was getting a little to big I had sat him down and had a great talk about health and fitness. I told him to sacrefise 1 hour a day to workout, he agreed. His workout has been cardio, such as jump rope and light weight training. This is his before and after picture.



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[Silock]

Originally Posted by RedThat

And where is this high concentration of glucose in the muscle cells going to come from?

My point is, we live in a society where low-carb diets are highly publicized and are the so-called thingys for fat burning nowadays.

And suppose a majority follow the low carb plan, where on earth is this high concentration of glucose in the muscle cells going to come from when youre not supplying it from your diet to begin with?

Unless, you want to make that argument that protein is broken down in the muscle tissue because the body doesn't have "enough" of glucose and wants to make more of it from protein and use it as a preference so it makes glucose since it prefers it first before anything else and will do what it can to get its hands on it to meet the demands of physical activity so it can supply itself with energy.

Glucose and glycogen are two different things.

[Silock]

See, that was supposed to be "mush," not "much." Night.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Silock

Glucose and glycogen are two different things.

They are not exactly two different things. They are practically the same thing. Glycogen derives from glucose. It only becomes glycogen in a converted from.

But glycogen is there in the body for a reason. To act as a reserve in case the body doesn't have enough glucose supply to begin with. So if it doesn't the body turns to glycogen that is stored either in the liver or muscle cells. It is then broken down by glucagon and becomes reconverted back into glucose and released into the bloodstream so your body can use it for energy.

[DumbHillbillies]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

LET ME FIELD THIS ONE.

Eat less. Exercise more.

Novel concept, I'll try it.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by RedThat

They are not exactly two different things. They are practically the same thing. Glycogen derives from glucose. It only becomes glycogen in a converted from.

They are still two different things with two different functions. One is an energy source and the other is a storage medium.

But glycogen is there in the body for a reason. To act as a reserve in case the body doesn't have enough glucose supply to begin with. So if it doesn't the body turns to glycogen that is stored either in the liver or muscle cells. It is then broken down by glucagon and becomes reconverted back into glucose and released into the bloodstream so your body can use it for energy.

Thanks for the wikipedia lesson, but I'm not exactly sure why you're trying to explain this to me. I'm honestly not trying to be a dick here, but why are we even talking about this? I know all of this already, and I don't see what it has to do at all with what we were originally talking about -- fasted state cardio.

[Bowser]

Heh, get tired of constantly trying to answer fitness questions, Silock? Thus the link in your sig?

[Silock]

No, not tired of it at all. I did figure it was better to write everything down in one place than have it all over everywhere, though

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Welp, it's official. I have a strained tendon or something going on. Shitty, shitty day in the gym from a burn perspective. I lifted, which was fine. But spending 15 minutes on the bike, and then 15 on the elliptical just further hurt me. Limped home. Going to have to take it easy for the next couple of days I guess. I'm hoping my high top basketball shoes will give me some support and help me at least get a half ass workout in. If not, I'm done until it's healed.

I didn't realize it yesterday, but it's my achilles tendon that is strained. Probably from the increased mileage and frequency of my running.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Welp, it's official. I have a strained tendon or something going on. Shitty, shitty day in the gym from a burn perspective. I lifted, which was fine. But spending 15 minutes on the bike, and then 15 on the elliptical just further hurt me. Limped home. Going to have to take it easy for the next couple of days I guess. I'm hoping my high top basketball shoes will give me some support and help me at least get a half ass workout in. If not, I'm done until it's healed.

I didn't realize it yesterday, but it's my achilles tendon that is strained. Probably from the increased mileage and frequency of my running.

Sorry to hear that. You can still work on the upper body right? Does your gym have a hand bike?

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Silock

They are still two different things with two different functions. One is an energy source and the other is a storage medium.



Thanks for the wikipedia lesson, but I'm not exactly sure why you're trying to explain this to me. I'm honestly not trying to be a dick here, but why are we even talking about this? I know all of this already, and I don't see what it has to do at all with what we were originally talking about -- fasted state cardio.

Because you keep telling me that they are two different things when they are not! In the long run they both have the same purpose to fuel the body with energy.

Glycogen in the long run still becomes glucose they are NOT different. They are only different in substance form.

Yes glycogen acts as a reserve itself and the body has to depend on it when it is low on glucose, therefore, it becomes converted back into glucose only so it can get more of it, then tell me, if thats the case, what difference in function is it going to have? Glycogen can still be looked upon as an energy source. no?

I am telling you this because you told me the body is going to have high levels of glucose or glycogen whatever in a fasted state, when Im trying to say no, it will not be the case. Not when you're on a low carb diet and when you train first thing in the morning on an empty stomach when both your insulin levels, and glycogen levels are low.

But you said, the glycogen levels in the muscle cells will be high? In the morning too, on an empty stomach. And to me, Im sorry, but I can't grasp that because I can't see how thats the case?

first of all, how are they going to be high? when your body is not getting enough glucose supply from your diet to begin with? Put that into perspective for a minute and combine that with the fact that your body is pretty much zapped of nutrients in a fasted state. How is it going to be the case then where your levels of glucose in the muscle cells are going to be high? Especially since you haven't fed the body in a while #1, and you are not getting enough of it from your diet #2, AND knowing it consumed a lot of it while you were resting at night in your sleep!

So can see where Im trying to come from here? I just don't agree with you, Im having a hard time doing so.

*Fasted state cardio has to be more effective. You're training your body off practically low levels of both insulin and glycogen and you give your body a chance to attack the low levels of glycogen right away so it can consume it up. Which is awesome because once it consumes it all up, then it'll attack the ketones. Thats a big difference imo compared to training later on in the day when you give your body a chance to get those levels back up after lets say consuming 50 grams of carbs. Then what? Your body uses that first and has a higher level of it in contrast to what it had earlier on in the morning. The process to attack the fats becomes a lot slower imo since it has burn those higher levels of 50 grams of carbs first. Im doing this off experience and Im finding it to be true.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Sorry to hear that. You can still work on the upper body right? Does your gym have a hand bike?

I'm not familiar with that, but I'll look for it. Luckily I've got Rockband (which burns a crazy amount of calories for me, more than walking) and I can shadow box, or do something with my upper body to burn up some calories.

I'll also look into the hand bike and hopefully my gym has one. Thanks for the heads up on that.

This is my first injury in 2 years of going to the gym. I've been incredibly lucky, and this isn't even that bad. I just want to make sure it doesn't get that bad.