***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by R Clark

So what is the cult of work mean?

That video goes very in depth with it using the Simpsons to explain it so it's entertaining. It does it far better than I'm going to do trying to summarize it.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by limested

I think it is more we made it to the top of the mountain. We think we have conquered it but we can't see through the clouds that we have another much taller and dangerous mountain just ahead.

We are on 6 consecutive days of decline in deaths, why would there be a mountain in front of us now? If that's the case we have been wasting our time up to now.

[KCUnited]

Are there any hospitalization rates being tracked that are available publicly?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are on 6 consecutive days of decline in deaths, why would there be a mountain in front of us now? If that's the case we have been wasting our time up to now.

Do we really have to have the weekend reporting conversation again?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are on 6 consecutive days of decline in deaths, why would there be a mountain in front of us now? If that's the case we have been wasting our time up to now.

He's saying that the easing restrictions is going to cause another spike since we haven't really declined much yet.

[stevieray]

Some of you sound like virus cheerleaders.

You don't have one damn clue about a future spike, etc.

It's like you WANT it to keep going.


Millions starved during the depression. MILLIONS. Millions killed themselves..

We got through that.

You want to "lay down and die" for this virus, you're already dead and won't have a country as you know it to come back to.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Do we really have to have the weekend reporting conversation again?

So the other 4 days were outliers as well I guess. I know the number will go up today and or tomorrow but wouldn't it be prudent to average the numbers over those days? Take any given 7 day average for example?

No matter how you spin it the numbers are going down. I mean wasn't that the idea behind all this? Like I said if the numbers aren't dropping this is a wasted exercise and we should have went the Sweden route.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So the other 4 days were outliers as well I guess. I know the number will go up today and or tomorrow but wouldn't it be prudent to average the numbers over those days? Take any given 7 day average for example?

No matter how you spin it the numbers are going down. I mean wasn't that the idea behind all this? Like I said if the numbers aren't dropping this is a wasted exercise and we should have went the Sweden route.

Use the rolling seven day average. The daily reporting numbers are too scattershot.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So the other 4 days were outliers as well I guess. I know the number will go up today and or tomorrow but wouldn't it be prudent to average the numbers over those days? Take any given 7 day average for example?



No matter how you spin it the numbers are going down. I mean wasn't that the idea behind all this? Like I said if the numbers aren't dropping this is a wasted exercise and we should have went the Sweden route.

The issue is that the declines aren't happening anywhere near as fast as the models have suggested, which makes the decisions to ease restrictions seem a bit premature.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Some of you sound like virus cheerleaders.

You don't have one damn clue about a future spike, etc.

It's like you WANT it to keep going.


Millions starved during the depression. MILLIONS. Millions killed themselves..

We got through that.

You want to "lay down and die" for this virus, you're already dead and won't have a country as you know it to come back to.

This is not true at all, actually. Mortality rate actually dropped during the Depression, and nowhere near millions of people killed themselves.

https://www.pnas.org/content/106/41/17290

[mr. tegu]

There have been thousands of essential businesses running for weeks now and I haven’t seen any indication that there is some trend of those causing infections at an abnormal rate or of thousands of grocery store, hardware, or Costco workers being infected. I believe people are getting infected but it’s not the most high risk groups so we just aren’t hearing about because they aren’t leading to high hospitalizations.

[limested]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Some of you sound like virus cheerleaders.

You don't have one damn clue about a future spike, etc.

It's like you WANT it to keep going.


Millions starved during the depression. MILLIONS. Millions killed themselves..

We got through that.

You want to "lay down and die" for this virus, you're already dead and won't have a country as you know it to come back to.

You really have no clue to what you are talking about.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are on 6 consecutive days of decline in deaths, why would there be a mountain in front of us now? If that's the case we have been wasting our time up to now.

well 3 of those days were 2470, 2390, 2201


thats a decline... but not enough IMO


especially when this has happened before

[SAUTO]

i wish i could figure out how to post the daily deaths graph from worldometer...

[Monticore]

one economists opinion on opening things up.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6900509/c...ning-backfire/