***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

tell you what pete, why dont you FIND a bank that wants the deferral at the end of the 3 months.

i looked atBOA, hawthorne, equity...


all add months to the end of the note

Yeah, no.....

“If you have a cash flow interruption because of your employment, and you need to defer your payment for 30, 60, 90 days, call us up,” Bank of America’s CEO Brian Moynihan told CNBC on Friday morning. So far, Moynihan says the bank has had 150,000 deferral requests come in from customers.

When Stoddard finally connected with a customer service rep, she was told Bank of America was only willing to suspend her mortgage payments for three months. After three months, Stoddard says she was told she would need to pay all suspended payments at once and that reworking her loan wasn’t an option.

In effect, that means she’d owe the three months of deferred mortgage payments plus that month’s mortgage payment, about $8,800 as early as June — far more than she was expecting or able to pay.......

Stoddard isn’t the only Bank of America customer facing this issue. Several others reached out to CNBC Make It directly with similar experiences, reporting the bank’s customer service reps told them that they would have to pay a lump sum of the deferred mortgage payments when the deferment period was up. Many other customers have flooded Bank of America’s social media pages with complaints. ....

But like most other lenders, Bank of America says it also services loans that are owned by outside investors, including Federal Housing Administration mortgage insurance-backed loans.

For those loans, Bank of America says it will follow the investor guidelines, which currently allow three months of forbearance. At the end of three months, customers need to contact Bank of America again to discuss a loan modification. That may include adding the deferred payments to the end of the loan, but the bank could also determine at that point the customer needs to pay the full deferral amount.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/bank...t-to-know.html

Now you can spin this how you want saying it's not really BOA but the point is, what I said is happening IS happening.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

France found a Covid Case from late December. I know CA is going back to December to check all the flu and pneumonia deaths to see if there are ones with Covid. I think every state should start doing this.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-0...IZ2/index.html

Hi Dirk,

Did you know that cgtn.com is a China Global Television Network? It is a state-owned media organization in China in charge of sending propaganda to the outside world.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Well, the federal plan is in place and available, and it generally seems reasonable to me.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

It's just that many states have decided to move forward even though they haven't met the criteria.

Every state reopening is doing so. The scary part is they are spinning it as if they aren't.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by BWillie

You are indicating China lied their ass of, right? And that you don't believe them right?

Do you know where the source CGTN is from. Well, do you?

I'll help you, CGTN is a state-owned media organization in China in charge of sending propaganda to the outside world.

I don't doubt that CGTN is going to try to spin this that it didn't start in China.

It’s not really relevant what spin China is trying to put on the news of what was found.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

well i would think it would be common sense that many more are going to die.



the deaths arent going to stop when the cases are going up by over 20k a day.

How much of this is due to increased testing?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Donger

I haven't heard of a single person suggesting that

Bill Gates:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/bill...ronavirus.html

The vaccine is critical, because, until you have that, things aren’t really going to be normal

Still, he stressed that larger public gatherings “may not resume until broad vaccination has taken place.”

Gavin Newsom:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/...own-is-lifted/

“The prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and we get to a vaccine,” Newsom said. “So large-scale events that bring in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of strangers altogether across every conceivable difference, health and otherwise, is not in the cards based upon our current guidelines and current expectations.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Bill Gates:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/bill...ronavirus.html



Gavin Newsom:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/...own-is-lifted/

There's a big difference in saying that we can't have mass gatherings until there's a vaccine vs. saying that we're keeping all lockdown measures in place.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, no.....



Now you can spin this how you want saying it's not really BOA but the point is, what I said is happening IS happening.

yeah, yeah.

well its not spin when its not BOA. it says in your post that loan i serviced by a 3rd party.

here's what they say about their loans
Eligibility

The owners or insurers of your loan will determine if you get payment deferral or payment forbearance:

If we own your loan, we may be able to provide you a payment deferral or a payment forbearance.
The Bank of America Payment Deferral Program is available for customers who have only one payment due on their loan. We'll defer three payments and extend the term of your loan by three months.



like another poster said there are some shitty banks i guess.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Just going to take the converse of this for a moment, what does science say about how you build immunity to viruses?

Depends on the virus I assume, do we know enough in 4 months about this one to make a determination , not sure.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Marcellus doesn't believe science in how infectious diseases spread. He doesn't think it matters at all if you are social distancing at home the majority of your days or in a confined space many people. It's just going to spread the same, he thinks.

This is all false actually I don't believe any of what you claim, but coming from a guy who thinks the mortality rate is 18% I understand your problem with comprehension.


What I do believe is there is a point where the cure is worse than the disease and we are rapidly getting there.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Bill Gates:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/bill...ronavirus.html



Gavin Newsom:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/...own-is-lifted/

I suppose that depends on how you define lockdowns and social distancing. If you mean the measures that were put into place will remain until there's a vaccine, I don't think either quote shows what you claimed.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Hi Dirk,

Did you know that cgtn.com is a China Global Television Network? It is a state-owned media organization in China in charge of sending propaganda to the outside world.

It is being reported elsewhere in the French media so I think it is genuine.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

yeah, yeah.

well its not spin when its not BOA. it says in your post that loan i serviced by a 3rd party.

here's what they say about their loans
Eligibility

The owners or insurers of your loan will determine if you get payment deferral or payment forbearance:

If we own your loan, we may be able to provide you a payment deferral or a payment forbearance.
The Bank of America Payment Deferral Program is available for customers who have only one payment due on their loan. We'll defer three payments and extend the term of your loan by three months.



like another poster said there are some shitty banks i guess.

Like I said it is happening. You said it wasn't. Shitty banks or not, it is happening.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Depends on the virus I assume, do we know enough in 4 months about this one to make a determination , not sure.

At what point do we know enough?

[DaFace]

For those of you making the "economic damage is worse than the deaths" argument, out of curiosity is it due to the fact that this mostly impacts old people? In other words, if this were primarily killing kids (in identical numbers), would that change your view? Or is it all the same?

(Not judging - just trying to wrap my mind around where the argument really lies.)