***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

People get this and survive.

People don't get hit by lighting often but they still recommend you don't go outside during a lightning storm, think of a pandemic as a storm.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I've actually been a bit surprised at how many older people I see out and about at stores etc...

i know a couple that are basically ready to go it seems. both over 85 and have lived good lives.

they just do their normal, while calling me and telling me to stay safe ...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i know a couple that are basically ready to go it seems. both over 85 and have lived good lives.

they just do their normal, while calling me and telling me to stay safe ...

If I hit 85 i'm doing coke and jumping out of planes, at 70 I might still take things easy.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i know a couple that are basically ready to go it seems. both over 85 and have lived good lives.

they just do their normal, while calling me and telling me to stay safe ...

I don't know their situation, but I think people who are in the top 10% of longevity sometimes feel guilty about it. My grandparents are basically the last of their group of friends and siblings alive. While they still clearly enjoy living, I certainly don't think that they're scared of death at this point.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Von Miller says hi.

World Class athlete comparison, nice! You're on a ****ing roll today!

Positive people like me survive as well, however, it's too variable and too random for who will get this and be fine and who won't. The narrative that young people aren't having problems with this virus are bullshit. They may live but also be left with permanent decrease in pulmonary and cardiac function. This not only decreases quality of life but WILL shorten their life span.

You CANNOT just continue to focus on mortality rates.

[mr. tegu]

So if this was in France six to eight weeks minimum before the first official cases, what do we make of that information?

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by lewdog

World Class athlete comparison, nice! You're on a ****ing roll today!

Positive people like me survive as well, however, it's too variable and too random for who will get this and be fine and who won't. The narrative that young people aren't having problems with this virus are bullshit. They may live but also be left with permanent decrease in pulmonary and cardiac function. This not only decreases quality of life but WILL shorten their life span.

You CANNOT just continue to focus on mortality rates.

Well that's a real bummer

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Won't the medical bills kill the economy too

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by lewdog

World Class athlete comparison, nice! You're on a ****ing roll today!

The narrative that young people aren't having problems with this virus are bullshit..

This isn't about me, lew.

And it doesn't take a "world class athlete" WITH ASTHMA to survive. It's not always a death sentence, yet's it's treated as such, when it's mainly unhealthy people who are succumbing.

I didn't say anything about young people.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

100% Old people should be sheltered in place. But people don't seem to want to admit people take Risks every day in their job. And some people are willing to take the RISK of getting it.

I don't really care if someone wants to take their own life in their hands, the problem is all of the other people they come in contact with that may not have that same opinion.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Sure, but that's not really how it works. My grandfather has significant COPD (he's 89), and my grandma still has to go to the store to get groceries for them even though he's staying home. She wears a mask and gloves, but it's not an N95 or anything.

He's had a good life, so if your view is that old people are less deserving of protection than kids, I can get that in a very harsh way. But there's no question that he'd be at a huge risk if this thing were just allowed to spread even though he never leaves his house.

I think the confusion on your end is, the right for you Grand Parents and loved ones to feel safe does not mean more than my constitutional rights.

"If it saves one life, its worth it" is a logical fallacy.

No you "Right" to feel safe doesn't mean anything to me. That being said I can be empathetic and take precautions to make sure I don't do anything that could hurt them

[Mecca]

I can't wait for protest signs like.......you ate at McDonalds you deserve Covid-19.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't really care if someone wants to take their own life in their hands, the problem is all of the other people they come in contact with that may not have that same opinion.

Sure but that is irrelevant because those same people would have to expose themselves to those taking the chance.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint

Won't the medical bills kill the economy too

Ironically its the LACK of medical bills killing the industry right now.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Sweden's death rate is not "much worse" than America's.

Their death rate is about 265 deaths per million people, the US's death rate is 204 deaths per million people.

Meanwhile other European countries that have been under draconian lockdown all have much higher death rates... Spain (540 deaths per million people), France (381 deaths per million people), and Italy (477 deaths per million people).

50% of Sweden's deaths have taken place in their elderly care homes... which is the same problem that the draconian lockdown countries are having.

Deaths by age group in Sweden:

88% over age 70
65% over age 80
25% over age 90

12% under age 70
5% under than 60
1.5% under than age 50
0.7% under age 40
0.2% under age 30
0.07% under age 20
0.03% under age 10


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...by-age-groups/