***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jdubya]

Little secret....most churches will deliver groceries to non parishioners as well...just saying

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So how would you propose that my grandparents obtain food? They're in a small town, so delivery and pickup aren't options.

Hpw small is their town? Most have churches and most are helping individuals whether you are a member or not. My mom's church is doing this for the community. My mom is 80, in a small town, a few hours from us. I also drove and left a ton of food for her on her doorstep. Enough to last a month. I will go back if she can't go.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ah, the American Freedom to be selfish.

Sure,

I'm not saying I would do the same as these people. And it is selfish, but we live in a country that has Constitutional Guaranteed FREEDOMS.

People are allowed to be reeruned.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

They're nearly 90 years old. Most of their friends in town are dead. No, they don't go to bingo halls.

he's obviously irrational at this point.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Either find a solution or don't, but YOUR FEAR shouldn't dictate AMERICAN CITIZENS FREEDOMS

Not just freedoms, but your fear shouldn't force misery and suffering on others.

If your grandma dies, i'm sorry.

And you know if my grandma dies, or i go unemployed and can't feed my family, all i'm gonna get is a "Condolences" from you too.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Cool do they go to a bingo hall? It doesnt matter don't make a bullshit argument and tell me to make chicken salad out of it.

Either find a solution or don't, but YOUR FEAR shouldn't dictate AMERICAN CITIZENS FREEDOMS

Where do you think your freedoms come from? Do you honestly think the government can't take things and give things just to **** with you?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

They're nearly 90 years old. Most of their friends in town are dead. No, they don't go to bingo halls.

If you or they are overly concerned then send them food. Problem solved. It sounds like they shouldn’t be going out at all anyways.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Hpw small is their town? Most have churches and most are helping individuals whether you are a member or not. My mom's church is doing this for the community. My mom is 80, in a small town, a few hours from us. I also drove and left a ton of food for her on her doorstep. Enough to last a month. I will go back if she can't go.

About 750. I suppose that, if things were opened up to the point that there was extremely high community spread, it might to come to that.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ah, the American Freedom to be selfish.

I think that should be number 1 on our list of rights to be honest.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

People need to to do w/e is they feel they need to do to live their life.

Because at the end of the day the only person/people you can rely on is yourself and your family.

If someone loses their job and can't support their family or put food on the table not you or anyone else in this thread is going to pay their goddamn bills or make sure their children eat.

So when it comes to taking care of MY needs vs YOUR needs/fears, 10 out of 10 im taking care of my shit.

I'm sorry that you fear for your grandma. Others are afraid that they can't sustain life much longer like this. That stimulus money and tax refund is gonna run out.

Everything else is just words and bullshit.

^this^

It doesn't mean we don't have policies and economic help in place for the elderly and those with definite underlying conditions...

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

If you or they are overly concerned then send them food. Problem solved. It sounds like they shouldn’t be going out at all anyways.

You can't ship milk, eggs, and vegetables. At least not easily.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

he's obviously irrational at this point.

Actually I've been extremely rational. I'm sorry getting food to his parent is inconvenient. But it's not impossible unless he make it so in his own brain. Period.

But his FEAR shouldn't dictate what others do.

I will never more off that position.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Not just freedoms, but your fear shouldn't force misery and suffering on others.

If your grandma dies, i'm sorry.

And you know if my grandma dies, or i go unemployed and can't feed my family, all i'm gonna get is a "Condolences" from you too.

this isnt about 'OUR FEAR" it's about the people in charge and their fears.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ah, the American Freedom to be selfish.

Is liberty selfish?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure,

I'm not saying I would do the same as these people. And it is selfish, but we live in a country that has Constitutional Guaranteed FREEDOMS.

People are allowed to be reeruned.

You're talking about freedom of assembly, I take it?