***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Paniero

Are things opening up in KC? I have a three day weekend and would like to visit family and eat at some childhood favorites.

Using old people as food? That's a bold strategy.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Seems to me previous generations had a more "real" concept and acceptance of death as compared to today. Military has formulas with "acceptable losses" in battles. There is an acceptable loss when balancing a virus vs destroying a global economy and losing liberty. The "one life lost is too many" sounds emotionally poetic but it isnt based in reality nor sustainable. It is fantasy.

What's your feel on where the "acceptable level" of deaths is for this situation?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Seems to me previous generations had a more "real" concept and acceptance of death as compared to today. Military has formulas with "acceptable losses" in battles. There is an acceptable loss when balancing a virus vs destroying a global economy and losing liberty. The "one life lost is too many" sounds emotionally poetic but it isnt based in reality nor sustainable. It is fantasy.

People in the military sign up for that shit, that's a bit different than average person.

[Paniero]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Beyond grocery stores, Wal-Marts and fast food chains basically operating as usual, KCMO will "reopen" on the 15th with restrictions.

If your family is big enough, it could easily exceed the 10% occupied capacity at some restaurants.

Thank you. I'll now leave the thread and allow the typical CP arguing to continue.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Well this quickly evolved into Life, Liberty and **** Everyone But Me.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Donger

Did I miss something?

I'm not going to sit here and do the Donger thing with you.

Donger, I've read your shit for years. You have little to no empathy for anyone so it's not surprising that my post completely evaded you.

You can just continue sitting in your cushy home, working from home as you've always done with no worry about feeding your family and believing that because you're ok everyone else is too.

Because if YOU'RE managing it well, certainly that means everyone else is too. So why open back up right?

Because if comes down to "Maybe you get sick" vs "Maybe that kid won't eat tonight", well **** that kid as long as you and yours are safe, right?

Well consider that many are like, "**** Donger and his if that means i stay unemployed".

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Well this quickly evolved into Life, Liberty and **** Everyone But Me.

It's real stunning isn't it?

[FloridaMan88]

This is why many states/cities enacted anti-mask laws in the first place...

A man wearing a makeshift Ku Klux Klan hood was photographed shopping at a store in Santee, Calif. https://t.co/MrHX4lXUtK pic.twitter.com/6SvOsgDp0M

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) May 4, 2020

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

He didn't but the men in those rooms recognized them as rights that are inherent. You need to understand what a Positive Right is and a Right

Do you think clutching to a piece of paper written in the 1700s is a great way to run a country today?

[Mecca]

I admit back in the day there were times Donger annoyed the shit out of me but now years later as I've mellowed and looked at things better, Donger amuses the shit out of me.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Do you think clutching to a piece of paper written in the 1700s is a great way to run a country today?

Well no, it would probably turn into dust if you clutched it at all.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well no, it would probably turn into dust if you clutched it at all.

zing.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Well this quickly evolved into Life, Liberty and **** Everyone But Me.

**** everyone but me sounds harsh. That's fine. Sometimes reality is harsh.

But when one makes arguments in favor of continuing a lockdown because they're worried they or their family may get sick, well that's a "**** everyone but me" argument as well.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

**** everyone but me sounds harsh. That's fine. Sometimes reality is harsh.

But when one makes arguments in favor of continuing a lockdown because they're worried they or their family may get sick, well that's a "**** everyone but me" argument as well.

What about when about 70% of the country favors staying in lockdown?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I'm not going to sit here and do the Donger thing with you.

Donger, I've read your shit for years. You have little to no empathy for anyone so it's not surprising that my post completely evaded you.

You can just continue sitting in your cushy home, working from home as you've always done with no worry about feeding your family and believing that because you're ok everyone else is too.

Because if YOU'RE managing it well, certainly that means everyone else is too. So why open back up right?

Because if comes down to "Maybe you get sick" vs "Maybe that kid won't eat tonight", well **** that kid as long as you and yours are safe, right?

Well consider that many are like, "**** Donger and his if that means i stay unemployed".

I've never claimed to be the most empathic person, because I'm not. I'm just trying to understand your logic, if any.

No, not **** that kid. I presume that that kid went to a food line and did get fed. At least I hope so.