***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude I do not even want to get into what governments have done in the past in the name of "safety". Not where we wanna go in this thread.

MK Ultra says hello. (not that that had anything to do with safety)

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

actually we don't know that yet. Serology has shown in some studies its been in our populations much more wide spread than originally thought.

It might not be an alarming rate if 100 Million people in the USA have already had it at one point or another.

TBD

Almost 70k people in 2 months is an alarming rate IMO. that's not TBD it happened...

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

But it did change. As I said to counter Donger's claim that it didn't.

That's because our knowledge of the virus is changing.

It's not "moving the goalposts" imo

[Spott]

Originally Posted by R Clark

So what’s the story with the hornets? Or did I miss a joke, or just a dumbass?

There’s been some hornets come over from Asia recently and have been found in Washington state. They are called murder hornets and they attack the native honeybees and apparently have the capability of killing a person if they were to be stung enough times.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Spott

There’s been some hornets come over from Asia recently and have been found in Washington state. They are called murder hornets and they attack the native honeybees and apparently have the capability of killing a person if they were to be stung enough times.

Things are huge:

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

That's because our knowledge of the virus is changing.

It's not "moving the goalposts" imo

okay....so you went from they changed "because" to now it changed but not really....

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by R Clark

So what’s the story with the hornets? Or did I miss a joke, or just a dumbass?

It's completely different than any of the COVID discussion, but it's a breed of hornet that has been found in the U.S. (previously mainly in Japan). Its sting can be fatal, though it's still not like thousands of people are dying from it. It can also attack bee colonies, which isn't good either, but again, it's not necessarily like the entire U.S. bee population will be decimated either.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

That's because our knowledge of the virus is changing.

It's not "moving the goalposts" imo

Well to be fair one of the things we are learning is a shit ton more people are already infected than we previously knew and most are asymptomatic.

I wonder how far the MLB study has gotten.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

By not having the hospitals overrun.

And overall. That's why things changed on March 16.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Spott

There’s been some hornets come over from Asia recently and have been found in Washington state. They are called murder hornets and they attack the native honeybees and apparently have the capability of killing a person if they were to be stung enough times.

I swear I remember being a kid and over hearing some story on the news about killer bees and how they were coming to the US. It's constant scare tactics from the news. It's ridiculous.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Na, not really. Models are built on thousands of data points and dozens of assumptions. Knowing that it existed earlier than we expected might make a minor impact, but it's not going to dramatically alter what we know or how we respond.

If the models started coming out on January 1st, and data was collected when first present had we known to look for it, it would change everything. I don’t know how you can suggest other wise. That’s what I’m referring to with models. Not going back now but if they started when they theoretically could.

The looking back discussion is more along the lines of if we knew it was spreading on January 1st, would shut downs have happened? With six weeks of community spread and few deaths or hospitals overrun would it be viewed as less serious or more serious? What impact did the media have? How much more would we know now with treatments and amount of infections?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well to be fair one of the things we are learning is a shit ton more people are already infected than we previously knew and most are asymptomatic.

I wonder how far the MLB study has gotten.

Which isn't really a good thing at this point IMO.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Almost 70k people in 2 months is an alarming rate IMO. that's not TBD it happened...

No it really isn't,

in the last 2 months 107,000 people have died from heart disease. If COVID is really wide spread, (we do not know) this could be a realistic rate. The only thing alarming about it is that its new.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

But it did change. As I said to counter Donger's claim that it didn't.

No, it didn't change. There were multiple concerns, but what has always been the overall goal was to minimize deaths.

[jdubya]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/what-i...murder-hornet/

Coyote Peterson vs Murder Hornet