Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[Rainbarrel]

Looks like they paid a 2nd and a swop of 4ths. Bet they stand pat because it was viewed as a steal then. O'Brien was roasted

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah, it also explains the comment about nfl teams hating that the cards are looking to salary dump. I’m sure plenty of teams don’t care about the salary. They resent that Arizona is trying to play hardball on picks when everyone knows the cards don’t want to pay him.

I would assume some teams actually bowed out but Hopkins is still a stud if people here want to admit or not so there will be interest from several teams all the way up to the draft. I get it...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I would assume some teams actually bowed out but Hopkins is still a stud if people here want to admit or not so there will be interest from several teams all the way up to the draft. I get it...

Yeah, I get why teams pulled in and out of interest. I doubt taking on the rest of his contract is a very big part of it. If teams are upset about a salary dump I imagine that’s more a comment of Arizona still hard lining on draft picks for a guy they clearly don’t want to pay than it is resentment that Arizona won’t pay off part of his contract.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Ha! Get ****ed

Update: NFL teams are saying that the #Cardinals are asking for "2nd and 3rd round picks" for DeAndre Hopkins

"They're looking for almost like a Christian McCaffrey package." - @JFowlerESPN

CMC was traded to the #49ers for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round pickshttps://t.co/aEt0rModkU pic.twitter.com/hBIGUShCyG

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) March 25, 2023

Whatever it takes

[Rausch]

The HC, QB, and owner/GM all have unrealistic expectations. Usually a shared mindset is a positive thing...

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Travis Kelce can school any young guys in the art of receiving. That guy knows just as much as DHop in regards to receiving.

Um, no. Travis isn't a WR. I don't think you appreciate the difference.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah, I get why teams pulled in and out of interest. I doubt taking on the rest of his contract is a very big part of it. If teams are upset about a salary dump I imagine that’s more a comment of Arizona still hard lining on draft picks for a guy they clearly don’t want to pay than it is resentment that Arizona won’t pay off part of his contract.

There's a theory out there that ARI is waiting for the draft. That after certain teams don't get the WR they wanted out of the draft, DHop's value will jump, meaning higher draft picks, and ARI will be able to maximize their profit from the trade.

Nick Wright talked about it a little in his podcast, don't know if he mentioned it on his show. In fact, during his mock draft episode or whatever it's called, in one of them he has KC trading their 2nd round pick for DHop (plus something, I forget what now). But he talks for a second about why he thinks ARI won't trade Dhop before the draft. Strategically it makes a lot of sense

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

There's a theory out there that ARI is waiting for the draft. That after certain teams don't get the WR they wanted out of the draft, DHop's value will jump, meaning higher draft picks, and ARI will be able to maximize their profit from the trade.

Nick Wright talked about it a little in his podcast, don't know if he mentioned it on his show. In fact, during his mock draft episode or whatever it's called, in one of them he has KC trading their 2nd round pick for DHop (plus something, I forget what now). But he talks for a second about why he thinks ARI won't trade Dhop before the draft. Strategically it makes a lot of sense

So they're going to wait until more teams have added WR's?

And this helps the value of their player? Uh, I would think WR's might get cut after the draft and teams don't have to trade for Hopkins. They'll either have drafted one or can wait to see who shakes loose.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Um, no. Travis isn't a WR. I don't think you appreciate the difference.

What can Hopkins teach a young WR that Kelce couldn't? That's literally ridiculous, but all of your takes regarding Hopkins have been ridiculous, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

What can Hopkins teach a young WR that Kelce couldn't? That's literally ridiculous, but all of your takes regarding Hopkins have been ridiculous, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

You don’t think there is a difference between playing TE and WR?

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

You don’t think there is a difference between playing TE and WR?

Travis Kelce is closer to a WR, than a TE. That's a good thing he's considered a TE too because he'd be really expensive if he was labeled a WR. Travis can literally line up anywhere. He plays the slot a ton.

What could Hopkins teach our young WRs that TEs can't?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So they're going to wait until more teams have added WR's?

And this helps the value of their player? Uh, I would think WR's might get cut after the draft and teams don't have to trade for Hopkins. They'll either have drafted one or can wait to see who shakes loose.

It's a theory; obviously I don't have inside information about what ARI is really doing. But that theory posed the idea that ARI would wait until the draft to see if certain teams would adjust/augment their offers based on how their drafts went. It seems possible just based on how they've stood firm on their demands so far.

I mean, to this point, no teams have agreed to give ARI what they're demanding, right? It looks like several teams have bid less. So, if you're ARI FO waiting until the draft could be worth waiting for, to see if any teams change their minds about how valuable DHop would be to them if things don't go well for them in the first round of the draft.

Or, and I just remembered this was an option mentioned, let's say there's a team that got exactly what they wanted in the first round. But now they have a need at WR, but they don't think they can get a good one in the 2nd round because they aren't picking high enough. They could be in the market at that point to trade their 2nd round pick for DHop.


Again, it's a theory out there.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I would assume some teams actually bowed out but Hopkins is still a stud if people here want to admit or not so there will be interest from several teams all the way up to the draft. I get it...

Sure, he has a high ceiling. I don't think there are too many arguing otherwise.

That isn't the issue for me.

If Toney didn't have any injury concerns, Hopkins would be a great signing.

But Toney is obviously a big question mark going forward.

Which is why I am not keen on putting a lot of resources into an aging WR who may or may not be as available or may or may not continue to play at a high level.

I would rather have seen somebody who maybe has a lower ceiling but a higher floor as far as age/injury. Or somebody cheaper.

Although outside of the draft, not sure what options are left.

[Rainbarrel]

The Hopkins trade is one of only a few things the Cardinals have won. About the only thing the owner has when the big spoiled brats get to together at league meetings and measure dicks. They may only be rubbing noses in it to begin with

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Travis Kelce is closer to a WR, than a TE. That's a good thing he's considered a TE too because he'd be really expensive if he was labeled a WR. Travis can literally line up anywhere. He plays the slot a ton.

What could Hopkins teach our young WRs that TEs can't?

Yeah, Travis runs routes from everywhere. But he doesn't run the same routes at the X as a true WR would. He can't run some of them, because he simply lacks the speed to do so. WRs can't run some of the things Travis does because they don't have the physical advantage that Kelce does. how they go about their business is going to be different, down to how they execute their releases, how they create space, and so on.

Do you not see that TEs don't run certain routes that WRs run? There are routes that Travis doesn't run, particularly boundary routes, as an example. Or notice how Travis runs his routes vs. how a WR would run the same route?

I mean, there's a pile of differences between how defenses scheme against TEs vs. WRs, concepts, as well as the fact that Travis always has the physical advantage vs. any defender 1v1., etc. WRs don't always have that.