***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Donger

I looked it up. 9 million die from starvation and starvation-related illness every year.

How many in the United States? To die of starvation in the United States I would imagine you would have to have a mental illness or be secluded somewhere that has no public services. If you live anywhere close to a population center, there is absolutely no reason to ever starve. You can eat at meal kitchens every single day if you wanted. It's slop, but you wouldn't die of starvation. Food stamps are quite easy to obtain as well, but I would imagine those that struggle the most with hunger in the USA are large families sad to say and those with mental illness.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by BWillie

How many in the United States? To die of starvation in the United States I would imagine you would have to have a mental illness or be secluded somewhere that has no public services. If you live anywhere close to a population center, there is absolutely no reason to ever starve. You can eat at meal kitchens every single day if you wanted. It's slop, but you wouldn't die of starvation.

Exactly how would you suggest people do that safely with COVID going on?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

People aren't going to die of starvation because they can't get a Double at Wendy's for a few weeks. Jesus Christ.

The **** you say!!!! We will take to the ****ing streets in droves. DROVES!!!!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

but thank god we stemmed the tide of COVID.

Yes, indeed.

Would you have preferred some other course of action/inaction? If so, what?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

They have their Agenda's let em be, follow the science and experts who are saying this is turning into a real possibility.

Millions of people dying of starvation, but thank god we stemmed the tide of COVID.

There is a British group that helps the homeless and poor all over the world and the US has been one of it's primary destinations , which seems odds for a first world nation. It would be hard to discuss why without getting political.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I looked it up. 9 million die from starvation and starvation-related illness every year.

And you're worried about 60k-80k from Covid?????

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I dont think thats what he was actually saying.



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/pa...ard-starvation

I'm not sure who's disagreeing with that. There's going to be serious damage and pain with the way we're going.

The problem is you believe there's an alternative. You really believe that the economy is going to return to normal? That if you just open things wide up, consumer spending will return to normal, no supply chains will be disrupted by the virus, and things will be okay? Notice no one ever answers that question, they just complain about how things are now while offering no better alternative.

The meat processing plants are the perfect example. You're sitting here complaining about "starvation" from an example from part of the economy that didn't shut down at all, in fact consumer spending in that area probably went up, and it got hammered.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And you're worried about 60k-80k from Covid?????

Yes. Starvation isn't contagious.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And you're worried about 60k-80k from Covid?????

The point is it seems to have only become an issue all of a sudden for some when there was already a problem.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Exactly how would you suggest people do that safely with COVID going on?

I was speaking of pre-Covid. It is more difficult to get these people food during these times. I hope the welfare state and the church run soup kitchens are mobilizing those services right now.

The point I believe you were making though, is that meat packing plants lack of efficiency as of late will make us go hungry. Which isn't true. The same obstacles that those in poverty face before will exist now, albeit magnified to some degree.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by tk13

I'm not sure who's disagreeing with that. There's going to be serious damage and pain with the way we're going.

The problem is you believe there's an alternative. You really believe that the economy is going to return to normal? That if you just open things wide up, consumer spending will return to normal, no supply chains will be disrupted by the virus, and things will be okay? Notice no one ever answers that question, they just complain about how things are now while offering no better alternative.

The meat processing plants are the perfect example. You're sitting here complaining about "starvation" from an example from part of the economy that didn't shut down at all, in fact consumer spending in that area probably went up, and it got hammered.

It about a balance which some people have lost sight off (The people who wanna stay locked up regardless, they are in this thread)

The ripple effect will kill Millions. And if in the end it turns our the Virus would burn out at lets say 1 Millions world wide (who knows) the hindsight of killing 100's of million will be just great....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes. Starvation isn't contagious.

Originally Posted by Monticore

The point is it seems to have only become an issue all of a sudden for some when there was already a problem.

It was sarcasm...JFC

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The point is it seems to have only become an issue all of a sudden for some when there was already a problem.

The point is the supply chain has been massively affected, and people out of work adding to the depression doesn't help that supply chain.

This shut down has to end, and the reasons are very apparent. Do it in stages, do it as safely as possible.

Just remember not one single expert said the Shut Down was to keep people from getting it. They always estimated the same number of people would get it.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

It about a balance which some people have lost sight off (The people who wanna stay locked up regardless, they are in this thread)

The ripple effect will kill Millions. And if in the end it turns our the Virus would burn out at lets say 1 Millions world wide (who knows) the hindsight of killing 100's of million will be just great....

What ripple effect?

Let's keep this simple. What part of any meat or food shortage is related to shutting the economy down? These meat processing plants never closed or laid anyone off. Answer that question.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by tk13

What ripple effect?

Let's keep this simple. What part of any meat or food shortage is related to shutting the economy down? These meat processing plants never closed or laid anyone off. Answer that question.

Consumption, this would be the demand side of the economics.

Crop Waste/Live Stock Waste is a real issue right now.