***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, that, and to also minimize total deaths. Those stem from minimizing the number of infections.

No, I haven't forgotten it at all.

This is completely wrong, I'm not going to bother giving you source because its 100% variably wrong by every expert and study that has been released.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

That is click bait bull shit and nothing new. Not spitting venom at you for posting, but wanted the masses to know that articles all speculation and the science doesn’t add up. LA Times has to pay the bills to I guess.

Here’s a better point of view, and one that is actually all science and a great sign:

https://twitter.com/drmattmccarthy/s...666758144?s=21

UPDATE: New mutation in #coronavirus genome has been detected that mirrors a mutation in 2003 SARS outbreak which weakened that virus & slowed the epidemic. This is first sign that a similar genetic mutation could weaken coronavirus & slow the pandemic. https://t.co/8MLekloi06

— Matt McCarthy (@DrMattMcCarthy) May 5, 2020

[BleedingRed]

Oil should be bouncing back next week too (Pro Tip for those looking to invest)

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's been a while since I took calculus, but not matter how high or how flat a curve is, isnt' the area under it the same?

Bingo!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This is completely wrong, I'm not going to bother giving you source because its 100% variably wrong by every expert and study that has been released.

No, it's not wrong. If you aren't infected, you don't get sick. You don't go to the hospital. And you don't die. That was the primary goal of mitigation. To minimize the number of cases. Everything flows from that.

It was never JUST about flattening the curve, or JUST overrunning hospitals. That was just part of it.

I don't know what source you're referring to.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by ghak99

I'm not surprised. I think this is a direct result of allowing too much emotion to guide policy. People who regularly go to the hospital here still won't even go near it. The local movie theater, which was/is heavily subsidized, has all but said it may never reopen.

They scared the sheep so bad it did permanent damage. Anyone who dared to stop and think about the ramifications were shouted down at every step. If anything, I think this situation needed way more extremists on the other side in an attempt to slow the tide. Many of the people I would have expected to be those extremist were the first to hoard TP though, so all you could do was sit back and laugh.

Realestate agents are also noticing an interesting trend in the last few weeks. The surge in interest is coming from very specific areas codes. I damn sure would never live like rats in a cage, but I don't want the rats to flee their cages either. Many cities have dumped massive amounts of tax dollars into reviving downtown. It will be interesting to see how those areas revive their revival.

I don't consider myself a sheep and I won't go back until I feel safe. I have 2 managed comorbidities but I don't want to get infected. I even told my boss the other day I am going to work from home until I feel safe or there is a vaccine which they are good with.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

UPDATE: New mutation in #coronavirus genome has been detected that mirrors a mutation in 2003 SARS outbreak which weakened that virus & slowed the epidemic. This is first sign that a similar genetic mutation could weaken coronavirus & slow the pandemic. https://t.co/8MLekloi06

— Matt McCarthy (@DrMattMcCarthy) May 5, 2020

"We have the best mutations don't we folks"

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, it's not wrong. If you aren't infected, you don't get sick. You don't go to the hospital. And you don't die. That was the primary goal of mitigation. To minimize the number of cases. Everything flows from that.

It was never JUST about flattening the curve, or JUST overrunning hospitals. That was just part of it.

I don't know what source you're referring to.

you are 100% wrong please stop talking about it.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, it's not wrong. If you aren't infected, you don't get sick. You don't go to the hospital. And you don't die. That was the primary goal of mitigation. To minimize the number of cases. Everything flows from that.

It was never JUST about flattening the curve, or JUST overrunning hospitals. That was just part of it.

I don't know what source you're referring to.

It is quite amazing that people forget the getting infected 1st part.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

you are 100% wrong please stop talking about it.

Feel free to explain how I'm wrong about any of that. You won't, because you can't.

[Discuss Thrower]

Monoclonal antibody study.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

UPDATE: New mutation in #coronavirus genome has been detected that mirrors a mutation in 2003 SARS outbreak which weakened that virus & slowed the epidemic. This is first sign that a similar genetic mutation could weaken coronavirus & slow the pandemic. https://t.co/8MLekloi06

— Matt McCarthy (@DrMattMcCarthy) May 5, 2020

I hope this is true and it happens , I would love to argue about something else at some point.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It is quite amazing that people forget the getting infected 1st part.

The amazing part is you two don't seem to understand after the expert repeatedly said that the mitigation efforts were not put in place to keep the total number of infected down, but to prolong the rate of infection.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Feel free to explain how I'm wrong about any of that. You won't, because you can't.

You're 100% wrong, the same amount of people would be infected regardless of efforts put in place. Experts have said this over and over and over again.

Originally Posted by O.city

It's been a while since I took calculus, but not matter how high or how flat a curve is, isnt' the area under it the same?

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It is quite amazing that people forget the getting infected 1st part.

Getting infected is unavoidable, unless you believe you can wait on a vaccine.

I suppose you could hope it kills itself off before it gets to you.