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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 01-29-2016, 04:26 PM   #2821
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Will be an interesting opening day that's for sure.
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Old 01-29-2016, 05:23 PM   #2822
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Side note:
Baseball Prospectus released its top 100 today.

Raul Adalberto Mondesi checks in at No. 16 despite his lack of Minor League production.

Just saying... (I've been on this guy since he was in Idaho Falls and had a friend send me video of him from there).
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:00 PM   #2823
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:02 PM   #2824
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I want my Zobrist back!!
For real. Are they seriously letting Infante compete for the job?
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:53 PM   #2825
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Will be an interesting opening day that's for sure.
Looked at tickets for opening day. They were off the charts. Probably going to end up taking a vacation day to watch it at home.
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Old 01-30-2016, 06:40 AM   #2826
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Since I was in prospect mode, I did a littler research on the young Cuban player I mentioned last week, Lazarito (Lazaro Armentaros).

I'll try to keep it short.

Signing considerations:

KC will be restricted in its Latin America signings beginning July 2, and not able to sign a player to a bonus of more than $300,000. However, Armentaros can sign with a team after Feb. 10, which means KC would not yet be in the penalty box.

My proposal, if Armentaros impressed KC scouts: Sign him. It's going to take $5-6 million, at least... But KC can't sign a LA player for big dollars until the 2017-18 period, so you could pair those savings, plus what you would spend in July this year on LA free agents, plus the money you save with not having a first round pick, and make it happen within their 3-5 prospect spending structure.

It all comes down to how impressed they were, and not all scouts love him. But it would inject some superstar-level upside into the system.
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Old 01-30-2016, 06:42 AM   #2827
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For real. Are they seriously letting Infante compete for the job?

Yeah. He finally had the surgery he has delayed since May 2014. Maybe a healthy Infante steps up.

Colon will also be a factor, as will Mondesi if he hits and both Colon and Infante struggle.
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Five bobbleheads are part of Royals’ 2016 promotions

One of them is Ned Yost, I'd like to get it myself.



The others are Kendrys Morales, Alcides Escobar, Wade Davis and Salvador Perez.
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Infante is a good defender. He at least gives us something at 2B, especially considering the Royals value defense as much as offense. And... I don't think he could possibly hit any worse. I'm an Orlando fan but I hope the platoon of him and Dyson holds up when exposed over a whole season.
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I’m very hopeful that we will see a much improved Omar Infante in spring training. The surgery to remove the bone chips in his right elbow should help. The problem with the elbow supposedly caused him to alter his normal movement which then caused shoulder soreness and a continued lack of production. Also Christian Colon will be given the opportunity to win the job. As others have mentioned, Raul Mondesi is also waiting in the wings.
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Infante is a good defender. He at least gives us something at 2B, especially considering the Royals value defense as much as offense. And... I don't think he could possibly hit any worse. I'm an Orlando fan but I hope the platoon of him and Dyson holds up when exposed over a whole season.
I'm not a metrics guy and rarely dig into stats beyond batting average, RBI's, K's and ERA. But I did watch nearly all 162 games last year and of course, every game in the post season and I never got the sense that Orlando or Dyson would be a weaker option than Alex Rios.

As a matter of fact, I've got a good friend that I either text or speak with after each Royals game here in SoCal and I couldn't figure out why Dyson, and especially Orlando, weren't getting more playing time instead of Rios.

I suppose it could end up being a wash but my gut feeling is that the Royals won't lose anything defensively and will most likely see an offensive improvement with Dyson & Orlando over Rios.

But that said, predicting what players might do is a season always carries risk until they actually do it.
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I’m very hopeful that we will see a much improved Omar Infante in spring training. The surgery to remove the bone chips in his right elbow should help. The problem with the elbow supposedly caused him to alter his normal movement which then caused shoulder soreness and a continued lack of production. Also Christian Colon will be given the opportunity to win the job. As others have mentioned, Raul Mondesi is also waiting in the wings.
Unless Infante shows improvement in his offense why not try Colon that's what it boils down to. Might as well give the youngster experience.
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I'm not a metrics guy and rarely dig into stats beyond batting average, RBI's, K's and ERA. But I did watch nearly all 162 games last year and of course, every game in the post season and I never got the sense that Orlando or Dyson would be a weaker option than Alex Rios.

As a matter of fact, I've got a good friend that I either text or speak with after each Royals game here in SoCal and I couldn't figure out why Dyson, and especially Orlando, weren't getting more playing time instead of Rios.

I suppose it could end up being a wash but my gut feeling is that the Royals won't lose anything defensively and will most likely see an offensive improvement with Dyson & Orlando over Rios.

But that said, predicting what players might do is a season always carries risk until they actually do it.

Dyson/Orlando are undoubtedly a huge defensive upgrade from Rios. I'm not sure the power Orlando displayed last year is real, but the offensive upside is similar to what KC actually got from Rios.

I'm not sure they're sold on Orlando, either, as they keep looking at cheap OF options.
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I'd prefer KC spend their money on a young player like Lazaro rather than a Drew Stubbs or Marlon Byrd. Lazaro Armenteros is only 16 so we would have to wait on him.

I'm thinking it would take $6,000,000 to $8,000,000 to sign Byrd. He has made the $8,000,000 over each of the last 2 seasons. He had a .271 batting average, 6 HR VS LHP last season.

Would Drew Stubbs sign a minor league deal with KC that allow him to compete for a roster spot? If he makes the 25 man roster, then $2,000,000 for the year. He was a good player in 2014 but last year was terrible. Drew has a career batting average of .276 VS LHP.

Also want to see what these guys can do -

Reymond Fuentes last year at Omaha he had a .308 batting average with 9 home runs. He batted .326 in 33 games in Puerto Rico this winter.

Paulo Orlando .249 (.265 VS LHP), 7 HR in 241 AB, and then this winter in Venezuela, he has batted .295 in 27 games with 4 HR.

Jose Martinez In Omaha .384 batting average, 10 HR in 341 at bats. Also .317 in 60 games, 3 HR in Venezuela this winter

Brett Eibner, .303 and 19 HR in Omaha. Had a .301 average VS RHP and .308 VS LHP.

I like the fact that Fuentes, Orlando, and Martinez all worked on their game this winter.

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