***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

No shock that you are ignorant as to the standard language in most anti-mask laws...



Keywords: “Any portion of the face”

Let’s see you diagram a cloth facemask that complies with that requirement.

Wearing mask, hood, or other device on public way.—No person or persons over 16 years of age shall, while wearing any mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is so hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter upon, or be or appear upon any lane, walk, alley, street, road, highway, or other public way in this state.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You don't know the difference between entire facial coverage and wearing a mask over your nose and mouth?

Should I provide you a diagram?

It's not about 'knowing the difference.' It's about localities and bureaucracies keeping up with rapidly evolving metrics.

Businesses lobbied and obtained restrictions on face-covering on their premises, or imposed them individually, so they could rely on camera surveillance instead of having a heavy manpowered surveillance presence row by row and could avoid or mitigate an immediate enforcement presence for their premises.

And now, they have the same concerns they've always had, with the facecovering restrictions trumped [not the reference you think!!!!!!! the literal usage, please believe me] by the demands of dealing with the pandemic.

And, even though the supposed metric of face covering is the utilitarian efficacy of the covering, people are still trolling others and allowing themselves to be trolled by emotions attached to imagery from some forms of face covering.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Which do you think is a greater risk to the public right now: banning all mask wearing in public or allowing people to wear a surgical mask in a bank?

So you are now advocating for the general public to get the same medical masks that are supposed to be preserved for health care workers?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Prior to this what do you think would have happened if you walked into a bank with any kind of a mask on? My Wife works in banking so I know the answer.

I think the "prior to this" part is rather important.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

No shock that you are ignorant as to the standard language in most anti-mask laws...



Keywords: “Any portion of the face”

Let’s see you diagram a cloth facemask that complies with that requirement.

You’re right, COVID 19 has changed nothing in society currently.....

Banks are allowing you to wear surgical or cloth masks but can ask you to remove them if they’d like.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So you are now advocating for the general public to get the same medical masks that are supposed to be preserved for health care workers?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So you are now advocating for the general public to get the same medical masks that are supposed to be preserved for health care workers?

You do realize how obvious it is that you deflecting from the point at hand, right (while also ignoring the fact that you are conflating surgical masks and cloth masks with N95)?

[Sorce]

Originally Posted by O.city

Wow. Coronavirus already in France ���� as early as December 2019! Study peer reviewed.

• Early community spreading changes our knowledge of #covid19 epidemic.

• This totally changes our understanding & modeling studies should adjust to this new data.https://t.co/RPWzlzj0RI

— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) May 5, 2020

not sure about the source post, but if this is true it does change things if there was community spread in December.

Late January I was sick with the symptoms, I assumed it was the Flu, another guy who sits close to me at work was out with similar symptoms.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So you are now advocating for the general public to get the same medical masks that are supposed to be preserved for health care workers?

Does your mom allow you to wear your mask, when you come up from the basement, after she’s made you dinner every night?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Does your mom allow you to wear your mask, when you come up from the basement, after she’s made you dinner every night?

He doesn't like the mask, it prevents proper snorting of cocaine.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Which do you think is a greater risk to the public right now: banning all mask wearing in public or allowing people to wear a surgical mask in a bank?

That is not what I asked now is it?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You do realize how obvious it is that you deflecting from the point at hand, right (while also ignoring the fact that you are conflating surgical masks and cloth masks with N95)?

You might want to educate yourself regarding the exact wording in the CDC’s mask recommendation before you further humiliate yourself.

Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

The cloth face coverings recommended are not surgical masks or N-95 respirators. Those are critical supplies that must continue be reserved for healthcare workers and other medical first responders, as recommended by current CDC guidance.

[SAUTO]

Looks like this Sunday, Monday, Tuesday cycle of number of deaths is going to almost mirror last week's

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Sorce

Late January I was sick with the symptoms, I assumed it was the Flu, another guy who sits close to me at work was out with similar symptoms.

If they were having community spread in France in December, why the hell didn't it blow up until March?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Does your mom allow you to wear your mask, when you come up from the basement, after she’s made you dinner every night?

We are still waiting for that diagram you promised, showing a cloth mask that is in compliance with anti-mask laws that prohibit the covering of “any portion of the face”.