Browns sign Kareem Hunt

[Kiimo]

Does anybody here who watched that video think that the "slightly kicked" situation would have escalated a LOT more if his friend wasn't holding him back? Because that's part of it. He was out of control.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Does anybody here who watched that video think that the "slightly kicked" situation would have escalated a LOT more if his friend wasn't holding him back? Because that's part of it. He was out of control.

No. He had a golden opportunity to hurt her and he didn’t.

[philfree]

Cleveland was the scene of the crime so I don't know if this is good for him or not. Home town and all I could see another incident happening.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by philfree

Cleveland was the scene of the crime so I don't know if this is good for him or not. Home town and all I could see another incident happening.

It's inevitable.

And as far as punishment goes: he now plays for Cleveland...

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Rausch

It's inevitable.

And as far as punishment goes: he now plays for Cleveland...

Fast-rising team. They'll win that division in the next couple of seasons. Chiefs Fan will then proclaim that they did it "in spite of" Hunt.

[excessive]

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...226109265.html

Kareem Hunt signs with the Browns, the worst place he could go. Save us the posturing.

BY SAM MELLINGER

FEBRUARY 11, 2019 03:22 PM


Please come with me as we skip over the fake moralizing and manufactured outrage and see that Kareem Hunt was always going to play football again.

Might be sooner than expected, and going back to Cleveland is setting him up to fail — more on this in a minute — but he was always going to have another job in the NFL.

The Chiefs released the star running back last fall almost immediately after security video surfaced that showed him kicking a woman in a Cleveland hotel. That was the surprise. NFL teams don’t typically act so swiftly, and so decisively, particularly when it comes to removing a key part of a team that was shaping up to be a Super Bowl contender.

Does that sound cold? Good.

The NFL is cold. Many other businesses are, too. Sales, finance ... heck — journalism. We are all lines on a spreadsheet somewhere, and if our value exceeds cost, then we’re in luck.

Hunt’s financial cost is the NFL’s version of peanuts, and he is still just 23 and the was league’s leading rusher in his only full season as a pro. So he’s in luck. The Browns announced they had signed Hunt on Monday. They did so predictably, with a statement from general manager John Dorsey that referenced his personal history with Hunt — Dorsey oversaw the Chiefs front office that selected him in the NFL Draft.

Dorsey hit all the expected notes: said Hunt took responsibility for “his egregious actions” that the Browns “do not condone.” Hunt is undergoing treatment and subject to an NFL suspension, and Dorsey’s statement made clear that another incident “will not be tolerated.”


Hunt released a statement, too. Again, it hit most of the expected notes. He apologized both for the violence and for lying about it later. He thanked the Browns for the opportunity and expressed a commitment to be “a better and healthier person.”

Notably, neither man’s statement mentioned the victim, or even the existence of a victim, and both focused solely on the incident caught on video, ignoring a larger and troubling pattern that developed around Hunt.

Sadly, that meat-headed, narcissistic, optics-first-and-everything-else-second response was also expected.

The NFL and the men who operate it are not in the business of healing. They are not about self-improvement. They are about football — first, foremost and above everything else.

That is not a controversial statement, or even a criticism. There is no “gotcha” there. And that stance is not extreme. Those words are a reflection of what the NFL has shown itself to be about, over and over, year after year.

If the NFL generally and the men who run the league specifically truly cared about Hunt beyond his gifts on a football field, they never would have allowed him to sign with the Browns.

That’s nothing against the Browns, who with quarterback Baker Mayfield leading a nice collection of talent are well-positioned to be a contender for years.

It’s just that Cleveland is the last place Hunt should be, not the first. He grew up in a nearby suburb, in a home without his father around consistently. He has a mom and grandma and brother who love him deeply, but he’s also shown himself incapable of avoiding the traps of stardom in his hometown.

His problems — the ones we know about, anyway — have come in Cleveland, or with old influences from Cleveland, or both.

Those influences are strong enough that at one point the Chiefs pushed for Hunt to stay in Kansas City full-time, to concentrate fully on football and shrink the number of outside voices from which Hunt was hearing. Remember: That was before the video went public, back when the Chiefs believed Hunt when he told them that he had stayed in his room the night of the hotel incident.

Now, the Browns have essentially made it impossible to track or limit the influences that have already proved too much for Hunt to manage.

This doesn’t mean that Hunt will fail. This doesn’t mean Hunt will be arrested again. This doesn’t mean the Browns haven’t made a smart football decision.

Maybe Hunt has been scared straight. That’s possible, too. The Browns appear to be building something real, finally, with an offense on the rise and a defense loaded with talent. Whenever Hunt is able to join them — an eight-game suspension seems to be the minimum punishment he’s looking at — they will only be more talented.

But that’s a very different issue than the one Dorsey addressed in his statement, or the one the NFL would love for you to believe it cares about. Dorsey talked exclusively about Hunt becoming a better man, of following the league’s guidelines for personal conduct.

That is, to be kind, hogwash.

Hunt was cut less than three months ago. He just began counseling. He’s still on the commissioner’s exempt list. This is not the process for a team or league that prioritizes a young man’s recovery. This is the process for a team salivating at an elite talent available on the cheap.

That doesn’t make the Browns a bad organization. It makes them a business. It makes them what we should expect.

But spare us the empty posturing, especially when you’re putting the guy in the worst possible situation he could find.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by excessive

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...226109265.html

Kareem Hunt signs with the Browns, the worst place he could go. Save us the posturing.

BY SAM MELLINGER

FEBRUARY 11, 2019 03:22 PM


Please come with me as we skip over the fake moralizing and manufactured outrage and see that Kareem Hunt was always going to play football again.

Might be sooner than expected, and going back to Cleveland is setting him up to fail — more on this in a minute — but he was always going to have another job in the NFL.

The Chiefs released the star running back last fall almost immediately after security video surfaced that showed him kicking a woman in a Cleveland hotel. That was the surprise. NFL teams don’t typically act so swiftly, and so decisively, particularly when it comes to removing a key part of a team that was shaping up to be a Super Bowl contender.

Does that sound cold? Good.

The NFL is cold. Many other businesses are, too. Sales, finance ... heck — journalism. We are all lines on a spreadsheet somewhere, and if our value exceeds cost, then we’re in luck.

Hunt’s financial cost is the NFL’s version of peanuts, and he is still just 23 and the was league’s leading rusher in his only full season as a pro. So he’s in luck. The Browns announced they had signed Hunt on Monday. They did so predictably, with a statement from general manager John Dorsey that referenced his personal history with Hunt — Dorsey oversaw the Chiefs front office that selected him in the NFL Draft.

Dorsey hit all the expected notes: said Hunt took responsibility for “his egregious actions” that the Browns “do not condone.” Hunt is undergoing treatment and subject to an NFL suspension, and Dorsey’s statement made clear that another incident “will not be tolerated.”


Hunt released a statement, too. Again, it hit most of the expected notes. He apologized both for the violence and for lying about it later. He thanked the Browns for the opportunity and expressed a commitment to be “a better and healthier person.”

Notably, neither man’s statement mentioned the victim, or even the existence of a victim, and both focused solely on the incident caught on video, ignoring a larger and troubling pattern that developed around Hunt.

Sadly, that meat-headed, narcissistic, optics-first-and-everything-else-second response was also expected.

The NFL and the men who operate it are not in the business of healing. They are not about self-improvement. They are about football — first, foremost and above everything else.

That is not a controversial statement, or even a criticism. There is no “gotcha” there. And that stance is not extreme. Those words are a reflection of what the NFL has shown itself to be about, over and over, year after year.

If the NFL generally and the men who run the league specifically truly cared about Hunt beyond his gifts on a football field, they never would have allowed him to sign with the Browns.

That’s nothing against the Browns, who with quarterback Baker Mayfield leading a nice collection of talent are well-positioned to be a contender for years.

It’s just that Cleveland is the last place Hunt should be, not the first. He grew up in a nearby suburb, in a home without his father around consistently. He has a mom and grandma and brother who love him deeply, but he’s also shown himself incapable of avoiding the traps of stardom in his hometown.

His problems — the ones we know about, anyway — have come in Cleveland, or with old influences from Cleveland, or both.

Those influences are strong enough that at one point the Chiefs pushed for Hunt to stay in Kansas City full-time, to concentrate fully on football and shrink the number of outside voices from which Hunt was hearing. Remember: That was before the video went public, back when the Chiefs believed Hunt when he told them that he had stayed in his room the night of the hotel incident.

Now, the Browns have essentially made it impossible to track or limit the influences that have already proved too much for Hunt to manage.

This doesn’t mean that Hunt will fail. This doesn’t mean Hunt will be arrested again. This doesn’t mean the Browns haven’t made a smart football decision.

Maybe Hunt has been scared straight. That’s possible, too. The Browns appear to be building something real, finally, with an offense on the rise and a defense loaded with talent. Whenever Hunt is able to join them — an eight-game suspension seems to be the minimum punishment he’s looking at — they will only be more talented.

But that’s a very different issue than the one Dorsey addressed in his statement, or the one the NFL would love for you to believe it cares about. Dorsey talked exclusively about Hunt becoming a better man, of following the league’s guidelines for personal conduct.

That is, to be kind, hogwash.

Hunt was cut less than three months ago. He just began counseling. He’s still on the commissioner’s exempt list. This is not the process for a team or league that prioritizes a young man’s recovery. This is the process for a team salivating at an elite talent available on the cheap.

That doesn’t make the Browns a bad organization. It makes them a business. It makes them what we should expect.

But spare us the empty posturing, especially when you’re putting the guy in the worst possible situation he could find.

A victim?


Today's culture of sensationalism over any topic is getting REALLY REALLY tiresome.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Mellinger nails it.

Personally, I give zero ****s about Hunt at this point for two reasons:

He left the team no choice by lying to them about not one, but apparently multiple incidents.

He's a ****ing RB, we would have been stupid to sign him past his rookie deal anyway. Most disposable position in the league.

He's Cleveland's problem now, meanwhile we're a SB contender without him.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by InTheNeutralZone55

Mellinger nails it.

Personally, I give zero ****s about Hunt at this point for two reasons:

He left the team no choice by lying to them about not one, but apparently multiple incidents.

He's a ****ing RB, we would have been stupid to sign him past his rookie deal anyway. Most disposable position in the league.

He's Cleveland's problem now, meanwhile we're a SB contender without him.

Mellinger is partly right, there is no actual "victim" in this incident. That part irritated me.

Hunt being in Cleveland is not an ideal scenario though.

[Pitt Gorilla]

BTW, what happened to the idiots who said that NO team would sign Hunt?

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

BTW, what happened to the idiots who said that NO team would sign Hunt?

They became the people defending your views in this thread.

[Sassy Squatch]

Hard to disagree with Mellinger. Just hope he surrounds himself with better people this time around.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Hard to disagree with Mellinger. Just hope he surrounds himself with better people this time around.

If you watched all the TMZ videos - his friend were far from street thugs. Also no one seemed to instigating anything except him (and the girl). It's clear they were trying to keep him out of trouble the whole time. I think they just weren't brave or strong enough to tackle him and sit on him.

I guarantee his new entourage will have two gigantic dudes with one job.

[Jerok]

Hope the Browns continue for another 30 years of dumpster fire, and Kareem Hunt kicks a man on the ground and we have to ask ourselves if he should be cut again, then we find out it's Tom Brady he is kicking and we award him Brady's 6 Super Bowl rings.

[gblowfish]

I figured he'd go to the Browns or the Bears because of the ex Chiefs at both stops. Indy was another possibility. Not surprised that he'd want to play in his hometown.We'll see if he can keep his Johnson out of trouble.

You'd think after they scooped up Bowe from us, they'd be a little hinky about picking up ex Chiefs....