I am a GOOD American

I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society.

I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance.

I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country.

I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall.

I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too.

I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though.

I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all.

I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one.

You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.

Originally posted by KCTitus

I'd really like to understand how 'opportunity' is part of the problem, but alas you are gone now.

Lapdog identified what I saw was a major flaw in your debate...that you quickly jumped to epithets and labels rather than argue points.

First of all, from your response, it is obvious that you aren't paying attention to what is going on here. You just *think* that you have.

I did not quickly jump to racial ephhets. It wasn't until Frazod started talking about shooting Mexicans as a solution that I jumped in that direction. For the life of me, I can't figure out why it is such a huge stretch to call someone who advocates shooting Mexicans to solve problems a racist. Especially when you consider that his problem seems to be with mexican immigrants... Not a word of illegal immigrants from Canada, though they exist (yes, it's a problem). It is evident that there is a racial bias here, especially when you hear the complaints about language differences.

As for opportunity being part of the problem... I've gone over this in great detail, but as you insist that I go over it again, I'll ask that you pay attention this time.

First of all, lets establish that wages in Mexico are terrible. Part of the problem is because of American infulence in Mexican politics. American companies enjoy cheap labor... Especially from Mexico, because freight costs become cheaper than shipping over seas. American influence has contributed to corrupting the Mexican government, making Minimum wage more of a ceiling than a floor for wages.

However, there is a great opportunity across the border. Farmers everywhere will pay good money by Mexico standards to illegal immigrants for working on the farms. This is opportunity. In order to iliminate a large part of the flow of illegal immigrants, you must address opportunity. CONSIDER THIS A SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. You cannot stop the flow without addressing this opportunity. Period. No two ways around it.

Consider, however, what happens if you do stop this flow. Farmers will have to pay more money to American workers. Know anyone American who is willing to hoe beets at 75 cents a row? I don't. So already poor farmers get poorer, and pass the costs along to the consumer.

Again, no one here has even so much as attempted to give me an answer to this problem, despite all of the back slapping going on here. This opportunity is the number one source of Illegal immigrantion in the US (from Mexico).

The second opportunity is more organized, and more dangerous to society. America has a huge appetite for drugs. Because the United States refuses to control the drug problem, a huge opportunity is created on the black market for them. It used to be, mexican drug lords were forced to run cocaine from South America, across Mexico, and into the US. For all their work, they only received a small percentage of the profits... And they had to rely on someone else for those profits. Until someone came along and invented Crystal Meth. Crystal Meth, created largely in thanks to the U.S. War on Drugs, liberated Mexican drug lords from Columbian drugs. Now they've got a product that packs a much longer high, they can create it in their own labs in the US. The only thing you need to smuggle into the country is the materials to make it, including the cooks. The amount of people from Mexico that you need to smuggle in is much, much, much less than come in due to farming, but it doesn't make it any less of a problem...

So, if your solution to this problem is stopping the people, you aren't really solving the problem. The opportunity will still exist to sell drugs to a society who will dole out billions of dollars each and every year for them. The solution is to CONTROL the drug problem by controlling the drugs. If the US Controls the sale of Drugs, they control the opportunity, virtually eliminating it, and turning off the spigot of Illegal immigrants.

So if you really want to discuss how to solve illegal immigration, YOU CAN"T GET AWAY FROM THESE TWO MAJOR POINTS. It's impossible... Unless you just want to ignore the real problem, and attack the people instead. When you attack the people, instead of the problem, it is not a huge stretch to racism.

But go on, and keep patting yourselves on the backs. It's much easier than facing the truth.

[Michael Michigan]

Lap Dog-

I should have been more clear, I loved your review. I noticed TJ didn't.

Joe-

It should work, try the same *****@hotsheet.com.

Yet another back slap... This place is too much.

[Rick Stephens]

Taco when I walk into a place of business in my country I expect for the employee's of that business to be able to understand the language of my country which is English.

[Raiderhater]

Originally posted by oleman47
Raider Hater
How do you know those girls you heard were illegal?

I don't remember calling them illegal, wait let me run back and look ............. Nope I didn't. Why are you putting words in my mouth? (as if I didn't know)


D@mn Tim,
now you are being compared to Slobo!? What the he!! is the matter with you people out there?

Originally posted by Rick Stephens
Taco when I walk into a place of business in my country I expect for the employee's of that business to be able to understand the language of my country which is English.

Sounds like a personal problem to me...

I don't know if you are familiar with the first amendment, or not. Freedom of speech? Sound familir?

Freedom? Bah! Screw freedom! People shouldn't have the freedom to speak whatever language they want. They should be forced to conform!

It's this attitude that makes me wonder why it would be such a stretch to draw parralells to fascism...

[Frazod]

Oh good, the ringleader of the idiots is back, spouting his usual "its all your fault" bullshit. Nice to know I'm still a brutal killer.

So tell me, Taco, if America is the root of all of Mexico's problems, why doesn't the Mexican government shut down all our factories there and guard the borders themselves to keep us evil Americans out? Apparently we're all that's wrong with Mexico - not overpopulation, internal corruption or gross bureaucratic mismanagement. I guess, then, that if the borders are fortified, from both or either side, and all horrible American influences are removed, Mexico will instantly transform in a paradise. Then you'll have to stop us poor Americans from illegally entering Mexico. Or would that be wrong?

And let me ask you this - if someone broke into your house (illegally), started eating your food and taking your stuff, would you defend yourself? Or would you say, "Gee, take what you want, I've got plenty. The Cheetos are in cabinet over the sink - help yourself." Well, you might, but I wouldn't. I'd give them one chance to get out, then put them down. But then again, I believe in defending what's mine from people who aren't entitled to it.

OH MY GOD A GROUP OF ILLEGAL CANADIAN IMMIGRANTS JUST BLEW UP SEARS TOWER! They were all drinking Moosehead and calling bystanders hosers. Sounds like a serious problem. There ought to be a law....

Originally posted by frazod
Oh good, the ringleader of the idiots is back, spouting his usual "its all your fault" bullshit. Nice to know I'm still a brutal killer.

So tell me, Taco, if America is the root of all of Mexico's problems...

Who said it was the root of all of Mexico's problems? I said that America contributes to them. Of course, I didn't expect you would pick up on that.

why doesn't the Mexican government shut down all our factories there and guard the borders themselves to keep us evil Americans out?

Probably for the same reasons we don't close our borders from the Chinese and German companies buying up American institutions. It's the economy, stupid. Of course, I didn't expect that you would pick up on that.

Apparently we're all that's wrong with Mexico - not overpopulation, internal corruption or gross bureaucratic mismanagement.

Again, America only contributes to Mexico's problems... I also noticed that up to this point, you've basically not even begun to address the unescapable problems of opportunity that I detailed in the last post. Why is that?

I guess, then, that if the borders are fortified, from both or either side, and all horrible American influences are removed, Mexico will instantly transform in a paradise.

No one said that in the least. Mexico wasn't blessed with the natural resources that America was blessed with. I don't know if you have caught onto this or not, but Mexico is a desert. Their number one resource is tourism... Their number two? Labor.

And again, I noticed that instead of attacking the valid points I made in the last post, you've chosen to ignore them, and rather jumped to rhetoric. I had high hopes too. Don't worry though... Somebody will come along to slap you on the back for it, and call me a name or something, while also choosing to ignore my very valid points...

And let me ask you this - if someone broke into your house (illegally), started eating your food and taking your stuff, would you defend yourself? Or would you say, "Gee, take what you want, I've got plenty.

Oh neat. More rhetoric. I suppose that would depend on a few things. For instance, if the perpetrator was the person that I was paying to get my groceries for me, because I didn't want to do it myself, I might consider the circumstances. I wouldn't be happy about it... I'd probably fire the person (deportation). But I still don't want to have to buy my own groceries, so I'd end up looking for someone else to fill the role (and damned if I'm going to pay them what the job is worth either). See, rhetoric is fun, and easy. I still noticed that you have ignored my entire post. Get your back ready for those back slaps... They are surely coming...

The Cheetos are in cabinet over the sink - help yourself." Well, you might, but I wouldn't. I'd give them one chance to get out, then put them down. But then again, I believe in defending what's mine from people who aren't entitled to it.

So then it appears on difference between you and me is that I won't kill anyone for cheetos. It's stupid, and senseless. Yes, I just called you stupid. And senseless. Now if that person had me up at gunpoint, that's a different story. You'll never see me advocating the execution of unarmed people. Something like that might make people draw comparisons to Hitler, or Milosovec. I don't care to be seen in that light, nor do any of my ideas reflect anything that would mistake me for either... Still noticing you have ignored the major points of my last post... Go figure...

Don't worry though... After the "sound beating" that you just gave me, someone is sure to come and slap you on the back. Good work man!

[Rick Stephens]

Taco you are really ignorant. The language of the United States of America is English. It is taught in our schools and it is the language of our nation. This is not the United States of Mexico. No one is saying you can not speak you language here but if you are going to work in a business in our country then you should be able to speak and understand the language. You must not have gone to school in this country. Because if you had you would find that the language taught is English not Spanish. I would like for you to show me one school system in this country which teaches anything but English as the primary language.

[Raiderhater]

[QUOTE]I also noticed that up to this point, you've basically not even begun to address the problem of opportunity.[/QUOTE}


I saw this in an earlier post and forgot to repond to it last night.


Donko John,
What are you saying? That America needs to stop being the land of opportunity? I don't know what you are smoking, but it can't be good for you. Put the controlled substance down, and slowly back away. That opportunity is for anyone, not just immagrants. You take that opportunity away, you are taking it away from Americans, not just those that are looking to flee some he!! hole of a country. You take that opportunity away, you are hurting your own countrymen, and Americans.

[Raiderhater]

No one said that in the least. Mexico wasn't blessed with the natural resources that America was blessed with. I don't know if you have caught onto this or not, but Mexico is a desert. Their number one resource is tourism... Their number two? Labor.

Donko,
making brash uneducated statements like that can really hurt your credebility (as if you have any left). Mexico has a lot of natural resources. And it isn't a great big desert. Did you know (obviously not) that a good portion of Mexico is jungle? That is not only a far cry from desert, it is the exact opposite.

[oleman47]

hang in there Tj, they will only nit pick not address your real points.

[Raiderhater]

What real points? And while your here, why don't you address my post to you (it should still be on this page).

[Raiderhater]

Tim,
here is a big cyber slap on the back for ya!


I didn't want to disapoint ya Donko.

What are you saying? That America needs to stop being the land of opportunity?

That's absolutely NOT what I'm saying. I'm merely pointing out the problem of opportunity that exists. You can't solve the problem of illegal immigration without attacking the problem of opportunity that exists. You can attack the symptoms all day long, but if you don't take away the opportunity, you don't solve the problem.

That opportunity is for anyone, not just immagrants.

Isn't that what I've been saying all along? Hmmm... let me think... YES! Except for the fact that hoeing beets for 75 cents per row isn't much of an opportunity for most Americans... So really, you've said nothing... But if you take the mexicans out of the meth trade, you only transfer that opportunity to anyone who is willing to pick it up... Which is what I've been saying all along... So far, you've insulted me, and then backed up my argument... Are you confused?

You take that opportunity away, you are taking it away from Americans, not just those that are looking to flee some he!! hole of a country. You take that opportunity away, you are hurting your own countrymen, and Americans.

see my last point. You won't find many Americans too thrilled about the idea of hoeing beets for 75 cents per row. But if they are interested, I gurantee that they will be able to find work.

Thanks for solidifying my post. Someone will be along to slap you on the back for "destroying" me real soon. Stay tuned.