Chiefs Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves - Page 19

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-14-2009, 12:01 PM

Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves
May 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11743195

Five boldest moves

Kansas City hiring Scott Pioli

Some people automatically put this one in the win column. Not me. Not after Charlie Weis fizzled at Notre Dame and Romeo Crennel bombed out in Cleveland. OK, so they were former New England coaches, and Pioli was a decorated GM. They still fall from the same tree. The question I have is this: How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager.

The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud.

Five biggest gambles

Kansas City acquiring Matt Cassel

I know what he did with New England. But that was the Patriots, and tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code. Cassel was surrounded by a raft of talent on the field and on the sidelines in New England, and I'm still looking for that support group here. So he produced a couple of 400-yard passing games and won 10 of 15 starts. That was nice. But I want to see him reproduce it here. OK, I know what you're thinking: What do the Chiefs have to lose -- especially when all they surrendered for Cassel and Vrabel was a second-round draft pick? Try this: They're paying Cassel $14.65 million in guaranteed salary. If he turns out to be the next Scott Mitchell I know some bean counters in red suits who will demand explanations.

milkman · 05-16-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Dude, come on.

The name-calling came from both sides. The "he started it" stuff is so elementary school.

Mecca's dished out just as much, if not more, abuse over the years as he's taken. He's not a victim.

Some of us here have taken INFINITELY more abuse from the "haters" over the years than Mecca will ever have to endure, so this whole episode is becoming downright comical.

No, you haven't.

mecca has been the target of more insults over the years than any single poster not named KCJohnny or mememe.

And yes, he has dished it out, but not nearly as much as he's taken, and until recently, he never instigated it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-16-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I like the revisionist history going on in this thread how Mecca, Hamas, OTWP and others are all the victims. That's a complete crock of shit.

For over a month the draft forum became a place where a group of 6 or 7 jumped all over anyone who didn't agree with their take on Sanchez. People were ridden out of the forum if they even wanted to discuss another possible prospect- you're an idiot, true fan syndrome, Chief fans are so browbeaten by Carl they are afraid to take a QB, if you don't want Sanchez you are a fan of 8-8 syndrome, we don't need a LB, we don't need an offensive lineman, you don't understand draft value, etc., etc., etc.

THE QUESTION was the quarterback position, NOT Mark ****ing Sanchez. The original candidate was Matt Stafford.
And there were a WHOLE HOST of Thigiots who brought the Hammer of the Gods down upon their own heads( and rightly ****ing so! ), then switched gears when Cassel was acquired purely out of spite when they didn't want the mother****er to begin with at all!

You have been served, and your welcome!

Debate...over.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, you haven't.

mecca has been the target of more insults over the years than any single poster not named KCJohnny or mememe.

And yes, he has dished it out, but not nearly as much as he's taken, and until recently, he never instigated it.

Mecca started with the "I know more about football than you do" attitude the DAY HE ARRIVED.

Seriously, you should take a long look at what you're talking about here.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-16-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

But it does change the value.

Right, but that's not the point I'm making which I will now relay to mage.

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

What's that supposed to mean?

The difference in value between the #34 and #3 pick is almost an entire draft worth of picks. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being against trading the #3 pick but not being against the trading the #34 pick.

It means this:

Cassel is Cassel and Sanchez is Sanchez and Stafford is Stafford.

Who's going to leave this league with the bigger, larger than life legacy?

THAT is both the question AND the crux.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Right, but that's not the point I'm making which I will now relay to mage.

It means this:

Cassel is Cassel and Sanchez is Sanchez and Stafford is Stafford.

Who's going to leave this league with the bigger, larger than life legacy?

THAT is both the question AND the crux.

And what exactly does that have to do with the poll you referenced? Don't try to obfuscate the issue here by talking cryptically.

**Reaper16** · 05-16-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Mecca started with the "I know more about football than you do" attitude the DAY HE ARRIVED.

Seriously, you should take a long look at what you're talking about here.

I think he's saying that his attitude with respect to football knowledge wasn't instigating the personal insults. The personal attacks were often started by people other than Mecca.

milkman · 05-16-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Mecca started with the "I know more about football than you do" attitude the DAY HE ARRIVED.

Seriously, you should take a long look at what you're talking about here.

I didn't say his opinions aren't rigid and inflexible, and that he didn't appear arrogant.

As a matter of fact, he and I had some discussions about that very thing a few months ago.

**DeezNutz** · 05-16-2009, 08:29 AM

The "reerun" stuff also has much to do with some of the criticism heaped on Mecca. Here we might start to see somewhat of a generational gap on the board b/c, for people who are Mecca's age, calling even one's closest friends ridiculous names is not uncommon. The connotation of the "insult" is different.

I've only been here a little over three years, but has there ever been as much discussion about name calling as there has been on this board over the last 3-4 months?

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I think he's saying that his attitude with respect to football knowledge wasn't instigating the personal insults. The personal attacks were often started by people other than Mecca.

Yes, it most certainly was. He's been attacked for his attitude since the day he arrived. And no, it wasn't started by other people. When you're condescending to people, you can expect them to act in a defensive manner, whether you're deliberately attacking them or not.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I didn't say his opinions aren't rigid and inflexible, and that he didn't appear arrogant.

As a matter of fact, he and I had some discussions about that very thing a few months ago.

If he's arrogant, he CAN'T be innocent. The two are mutually exclusive, sorry.

**Reaper16** · 05-16-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The "reerun" stuff also has much to do with some of the criticism heaped on Mecca. Here we might start to see somewhat of a generational gap on the board b/c, for people who are Mecca's age, calling even one's closest friends ridiculous names is not uncommon. The connotation of the "insult" is different.

I've only been here a little over three years, but has there ever been as much discussion about name calling as there has been on this board over the last 3-4 months?

That's a good point. I know that I call my friends by terribly insults quite frequently. Contextually, its clear that we're kidding around, being hyperbolic, etc. The same sentiment probably doesn't translate to text very well for my generation, let alone other ones.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-16-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

And what exactly does that have to do with the poll you referenced? Don't try to obfuscate the issue here by talking cryptically.

The poll is a different issue altogether.

And there is NOTHING "cryptic" about what I just presented you with, IF you can think outside of draft boards and value charts.

**Reaper16** · 05-16-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Yes, it most certainly was. He's been attacked for his attitude since the day he arrived. And no, it wasn't started by other people. When you're condescending to people, you can expect them to act in a defensive manner, whether you're deliberately attacking them or not.

So, in essence, we're supposed to be defending people who act like children?

Mecca: [insert arrogant football post here]

others: you're gay, bundle of stickshair, mom's basement, get a job

milkman · 05-16-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

If he's arrogant, he CAN'T be innocent. The two are mutually exclusive, sorry.

Again, I am not saying that, which is why I had the disussions with him a few months ago.

Chiefnj2 · 05-16-2009, 08:44 AM

IMHO, the draft board needed some moderator crackdown this past season. Everyone was guilty of name calling, etc. It should be a place for open discussion of prospects and not just "he sucks, and you are stupid. Go walk into a burning aids tree."

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