Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 19

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What has Pioli done well? What are his successes in KC thus far? Please be specific.

Fan support for the GM is at a 20-year high.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

they basically had a boatload of cash on his lawn at 12:01 and really, some of the same "dumb" arguments would be shouted about Pioli if he had signed a center for 8 million/yr. Dont say that isnt accurate, because it is. Just because you need a car and have 20k, doesnt mean you spent 20k on a car worth 10-12k.

Damn. No wonder you wan n00b of the year.

I'm just now getting familiar with you, and I've read more logic in your last 3 posts than the know it all elites have spouted in months.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

As is yours.

"Pioli ****ed up", and "you are and idiot" can only be said so many times, in so many ways.

Oh, and that's what I've said in this thread?

What's wrong with you?

(Besides the obvious).

Rooster · 12-16-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Fan support for the GM is at a 20-year high.

Noooooo he sucks!!! He sucks!! He sucks!! I heard it on Chiefs Planet...

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Fan support for the GM is at a 20-year high.

Because his name isn't Carl Peterson, if they'd take 10 seconds to see the job he's done it's the same shit with a different name.

Hell even Carl had a better first year than this.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

Noooooo he sucks!!! He sucks!! He sucks!! I heard it on Chiefs Planet...

What's something good he's done, seriously.

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 01:46 PM

To date, we have pissed off no players by telling them to STFU and STFD.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

It really doesn't matter what I say.
I still have faith in Pioli.
I don't think he has screwed up the way you guys do.
If that makes me an idiot, so be it.
Only time will tell who is wrong or right.

Bullshit.

You made claims in this very thread that I have disputed.

Funny how you are unwilling or unable to address them.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ok, so Pioli has taken a lot of heat from some of the posters in this thread, but let's ask a more specific question to those whose faith is still unwavering:

What has Pioli done well? What are his successes in KC thus far? Please be specific.

He has won more games than last year with 22 guys off the street.

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 01:47 PM

Pioli fired Herm Edwards. Remember how awesome that was?

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Fan support for the GM is at a 20-year high.

Good point. But it's a 12-year high.

Through '97, CP had done a pretty solid job. Didn't reach the goal, but he was far from terrible, and most fans were probably pretty positive about the job he had done to that point.

tooge · 12-16-2009, 01:48 PM

Guys, guys, guys. You are spouting the same crap over and over, both sides. Look, I think everyone here agrees that we saw a crappy year coming. I think everyone agrees that this team was a mess when Pioli got here. I think everyone agrees that Pioli has whiffed on some of the early decisions from what we as outsiders understand. As far as FA goes, could he have made a much bigger splash? Absolutely. Would signing Jason Brown, Albert Haynesworth, or Chris Canty, or all three for that matter made this more than a 6 win team? No chance. It would have cost a fortune though. The point is, Vrabel was brought in because he knows the 3-4 defense and could help out guys like Hali, Studebaker, and Johnson, plus he was essentially free. Let me sum it up this way. If you were the GM, and you felt that you could spend over one hundered million on a few free agents and maybe get this team to 5 or 6 wins, would you have? What would you have done, and how many wins do you think it would translate into this season?

philfree · 12-16-2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ok, so Pioli has taken a lot of heat from some of the posters in this thread, but let's ask a more specific question to those whose faith is still unwavering:

What has Pioli done well? What are his successes in KC thus far? Please be specific.

I don't have blind faith in Pioli but I'm still on board with what I think to be his plan. IMO you can't really judge what Pioli's successes are at this point in his tenure in KC. He's done what he's said he was gonna do. Build it from the bottom up.

PhilFree

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, and that's what I've said in this thread?

What's wrong with you?

(Besides the obvious).

It's all you ever say in football related threads.

Rooster · 12-16-2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

What's something good he's done, seriously.

More wins

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $720478	To date, we have pissed off no players by telling them to STFU and STFD. __________________ Chiefs game films
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $720478	Pioli fired Herm Edwards. Remember how awesome that was? __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-16-2009, 01:48 PM	#282
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $544112	Guys, guys, guys. You are spouting the same crap over and over, both sides. Look, I think everyone here agrees that we saw a crappy year coming. I think everyone agrees that this team was a mess when Pioli got here. I think everyone agrees that Pioli has whiffed on some of the early decisions from what we as outsiders understand. As far as FA goes, could he have made a much bigger splash? Absolutely. Would signing Jason Brown, Albert Haynesworth, or Chris Canty, or all three for that matter made this more than a 6 win team? No chance. It would have cost a fortune though. The point is, Vrabel was brought in because he knows the 3-4 defense and could help out guys like Hali, Studebaker, and Johnson, plus he was essentially free. Let me sum it up this way. If you were the GM, and you felt that you could spend over one hundered million on a few free agents and maybe get this team to 5 or 6 wins, would you have? What would you have done, and how many wins do you think it would translate into this season?
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