Chiefs Fisher to LT? - Page 19

In58men · 03-25-2014, 06:00 AM

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs HC Andy Reid said he plans to go to camp this summer with former No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher playing left tackle.

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htismaqe · 03-25-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

last year's FA was a stop the bleeding approach... and it worked. Probably better than they even expected. Now that they have a core, they are going to build through the draft. You, and others might not agree with it, but it seems perfectly reasonable to me.

They wanted to get butts back in the seats and they did that, now they are trying to keep butts in the seats for a good long time... not just the next year or two.

Too bad they weren't playing for a championship instead...

**Rausch** · 03-25-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So it's ok for you to call Geno a bust but everyone else calling Fisher a bust needs to wait? Excuse me while I never value your opinions again.

I don't think either one is a bust. I think BOTH players were obviously guys that needed time coming out. I don't know if Fish is ready or not but I'd like him to compete for the position and prove it first...

RunKC · 03-25-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So it's ok for you to call Geno a bust but everyone else calling Fisher a bust needs to wait? Excuse me while I never value your opinions again.

I'll give him his fair time, as any player in this class deserves, but I never liked him. Even as a prospect before the draft.

duncan_idaho · 03-25-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Well we got nothing else to rely on, unless we want to rely on Save Our Chiefs to fly banners over the NFL offices and convince them to give us a Lombardi Trophy out of sympathy for the fans.

Otherwise, hope is all we got.

I'm not going to rely on anything. I'm going to call it like I see it and need evidence to trust what is being done is the right thing.

Example: If they pay Alex Smith based on the playoff game and not the whole body of work, I will not believe he can bring that level of play week in, week out (and therefore be worth that salary) until I see it actually happen.

Some teams deserve hope and faith because they have an established history of being savvy and effective. The New England Patriots. The Indy Colts. The 49ers. The Tampa Rays. The Boston Red Sox. The St. Louis Cardinals. The Texas Rangers.

Some don't. The Chiefs fall in this category. Maybe Dorsey can get them into the previous category, but it's going to take time.

Until then...Show me.

kcchiefsus · 03-25-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Question for all those championing Fisher moving to left tackle -

What exactly did you see out of him last year that makes you excited to see him potentially line up at left tackle this season? Because I saw a guy that would occasionally make good plays, but was routinely overmatched and injured for a majority of the season, and that was on the right side playing some horrid defenses.

Convince me this move isn't a glaring view of the ineptitude of the front office in dealing with Albert. Make me excited for this move, please.

Well, I think we generally all agree that we have a top notch coaching staff minus our DC perhaps.

We have all seen Dontari Poe be an absolute nobody as a rookie to blowing up in his second year. We're putting trust in the coaching staff that Fisher will have the same progress.

Just because Fisher was overmatched as a rookie does not mean that's his ceiling and the player he will be this season or for the rest of his career.

**Rausch** · 03-25-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

With the contract he got, it's WILL get a comp pick.

That's up to the NFL...

htismaqe · 03-25-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Just because Fisher was overmatched as a rookie does not mean that's his ceiling and the player he will be this season or for the rest of his career.

Of course not.

Then again, it's also possible that he's WORSE at LT than he was a RT.

Acknowledging reality isn't a bad thing and doesn't make one a pessimist.

kcchiefsus · 03-25-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not going to rely on anything. I'm going to call it like I see it and need evidence to trust what is being done is the right thing.

Example: If they pay Alex Smith based on the playoff game and not the whole body of work, I will not believe he can bring that level of play week in, week out (and therefore be worth that salary) until I see it actually happen.

Some teams deserve hope and faith because they have an established history of being savvy and effective. The New England Patriots. The Indy Colts. The 49ers. The Tampa Rays. The Boston Red Sox. The St. Louis Cardinals. The Texas Rangers.

Some don't. The Chiefs fall in this category. Maybe Dorsey can get them into the previous category, but it's going to take time.

Until then...Show me.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree.

All I'm saying is, there ain't shit we can do about it. I would root for a better franchise if I had it in me, but I don't. I'm a Chiefs fan until I die, unfortunately. So I'll just keep hoping like the sucker I am.

jd1020 · 03-25-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

That's up to the NFL...

If the Chiefs continue to sleep through the rest of FA then they will get a 3rd + a few more mid round picks.

They haven't signed shit, yet, that would even come close to making up for the loss of Albert.

kcchiefsus · 03-25-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course not.

Then again, it's also possible that he's WORSE at LT than he was a RT.

Acknowledging reality isn't a bad thing and doesn't make one a pessimist.

Of course not. I'm open minded about this move. Fisher is going to sink or swim this year. We drafted him to play left tackle, so right or wrong that's where he's going to play. If he sucks at left tackle then I don't think it means he should have stayed at right tackle. In that case he probably just sucks either way and was a complete bust.

htismaqe · 03-25-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree.

All I'm saying is, there ain't shit we can do about it. I would root for a better franchise if I had it in me, but I don't. I'm a Chiefs fan until I die, unfortunately. So I'll just keep hoping like the sucker I am.

We're in the same boat.

The only difference is perspective.

kcchiefsus · 03-25-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

That's up to the NFL...

There's a history and a somewhat understood formula for us to judge this on. It's not like the NFL can just decide on a whim. Based on the history of compensatory picks and a limited understanding of them, we are pretty likely to get a 3rd for him. We got a 3rd for Brandon Carr, I'm pretty sure we'll get a 3rd for Albert.

beach tribe · 03-25-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

IF Alex Smith is the quarterback he was over most of the second half of the season and in the playoff game, you've got a 3-4 year window with him.

His age 30 season seems like a strange year to focus on building for the future... especially considering that most of the rest of the core players are also entering the downside of their careers.

Smith being in the prime of his career gives this team a chance to take advantage of what our core players have left and gives the team a min. 3-4 year window to find our QBOTF.

**Rausch** · 03-25-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

If the Chiefs continue to sleep through the rest of FA then they will get a 3rd + a few more mid round picks.

They haven't signed shit, yet, that would even come close to making up for the loss of Albert.

I totally agree with the bold. The problem is the NFL doesn't release all the criteria for getting comp picks. Some, yes. We all know it's partly the value of players lost compared to value of players gained.

There's also other criteria (record? closeness to cap? playoff teams?) they use and have admitted to using that they haven't released and we don't know about...

beach tribe · 03-25-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course not.

Then again, it's also possible that he's WORSE at LT than he was a RT.

Acknowledging reality isn't a bad thing and doesn't make one a pessimist.

This is definitely a possibility. The best thing we can do at this point, is to find out as soon as we can what Fisher will be, and the only way to find that out, is by playing him.
He could be horrible for all we know, and should know by mid-season.
No sense in wasting more time.

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