Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League - Page 19

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-13-2020, 04:05 PM

Bills have Ed Oliver though.

Thing is NFL teams view picks 25-60 as very similar, they are typically very close in terms of grades. So 34 + 44 will be viewed as 2 good immediate starters.

If it was pick 14 + another 4th, they’d essentially view the top 15 pick as a potentially great player and the 4th rounder as a lottery ticket of sorts. Once you get out of the top 100, it’s a lot of guesswork.

ForeverIowan · 03-13-2020, 04:25 PM

Find it hard to believe we'd trade him to a divisional rival but Mayock and Gruden fricken love Jones. They may have given us an offer too good to pass up. They have the firepower to pull it off. Their defensive line would be pretty damn good.

TomBarndtsTwin · 03-13-2020, 04:32 PM

No way they trade within the division. In fact, I’d be surprised if they trade him to an AFC team. They would have to get an offer that’s too good to refuse.

I expect him to go to the NFC, unless some AFC team really steps up big time with an offer.

We’ll find out soon enough, I guess . . . . . .

mcaj22 · 03-13-2020, 04:40 PM

I'll call my shot and guess Tampa Bay.

Bunch of cap space, they blow it all on Chris Jones and Tom Brady.

This is a move LeBrady the GM makes because he doesn't care about draft picks or the future.

**The Franchise** · 03-13-2020, 04:59 PM

Colts, Bucs or Dolphins.

Kiimo · 03-13-2020, 05:12 PM

Staylor is cool with a trade huh lmao

staylor26 · 03-13-2020, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Staylor is cool with a trade huh lmao

I’ve been saying from the get go that I’m ok with a trade if they can’t get a deal done. Don’t try to make it seem like I’m contradicting myself because I made it very clear that it was you that was talking in absolutes, not me.

TomBarndtsTwin · 03-13-2020, 05:59 PM

I don’t think anyone necessarily WANTS to see Chris Jones gone, but the reality is that’s whats gonna happen (and that has been reinforced even more with Reid’s and Jones comments today). We just need to hope for a large return at this point.

The writing is on the wall.

Kiimo · 03-13-2020, 05:59 PM

You insulted anyone who dared disagree with you. Tell me more about which sports personalities to listen to.

Wallcrawler · 03-13-2020, 06:10 PM

This is a great opportunity for the Chiefs here. Veach has been pretty good in his dealings, so I expect we will get the right compensation on this move. This is a build for the future move, and if he us able to turn those picks into starters, we could be looking at full on Chiefs Dynasty here.

Its just so hard to stay at the top, sinking so much of your cap into just a few players.

Even with qbs, no top tier salary qb ever made it to the superbowl, save for Eli Manning, who was i believe the fifth highest paid qb at the time.

Mahomes obviously has the skills to be the exception to that rule, but with him commanding a large number, Clark getting his, its just not there to keep Jones at fair value for what he really deserves and still be able to fill out the roster for a championship level team.

Hate to see the guy go, but he earned his money. In a sport where each snap could be your last, He's totally justified in taking care of his future now.

**BossChief** · 03-13-2020, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

I'll call my shot and guess Tampa Bay.

Bunch of cap space, they blow it all on Chris Jones and Tom Brady.

This is a move LeBrady the GM makes because he doesn't care about draft picks or the future.

Yup. Shaq Barrett and Jones as the pass rush.

Kind of a bummer.

Just hope we get good picks in return. It sure sounds like a deal is done, so the compensation has to be pretty good.

Let’s hope we get 2 Chris Jones out of the deal and it’s not a huge mistake.

staylor26 · 03-13-2020, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

You insulted anyone who dared disagree with you. Tell me more about which sports personalities to listen to.

I have acknowledged the possibility that a trade could happen. You were being willfully ignorant about what was being said by the Chiefs most reliable insiders. The result doesn’t change that, and I’m not convinced all of this necessarily means he’s already gone although it’s definitely more likely that not at this point.

Red Dawg · 03-13-2020, 06:22 PM

Trade will happen.

**SAUTO** · 03-13-2020, 06:38 PM

What did Reid say?

**BossChief** · 03-13-2020, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO

What did Reid say?

“Chris is a part of this team, a big part of this team — he helped us get where we were,” said Reid, before pivoting. “It’s crazy because in this business, we’re all expendable. That’s been proven over and over again. On the other hand, you’d like to keep everybody. But that’s not real. So would we like to keep Chris? Sure. But things happen in this business, and we’re all players and coaches. We’re all used to that, and so if he’s here, great, man. That’s a great thing. If he’s not, we’re going to keep plowing, man, and keep moving on, and we expect somebody else to step up and fill in that position. We get all of that... You’ve been in this thing long enough, I think we understand that. I think the fans understand that.”

03-07-2020, 07:52 PM
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1779653	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
Posts: 17,033

03-13-2020, 04:05 PM	#271
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9089447	Bills have Ed Oliver though. Thing is NFL teams view picks 25-60 as very similar, they are typically very close in terms of grades. So 34 + 44 will be viewed as 2 good immediate starters. If it was pick 14 + another 4th, they’d essentially view the top 15 pick as a potentially great player and the 4th rounder as a lottery ticket of sorts. Once you get out of the top 100, it’s a lot of guesswork.
Posts: 26,383

03-13-2020, 04:25 PM	#272
ForeverIowan Veteran Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $2460400	Find it hard to believe we'd trade him to a divisional rival but Mayock and Gruden fricken love Jones. They may have given us an offer too good to pass up. They have the firepower to pull it off. Their defensive line would be pretty damn good.
Posts: 1,279

03-13-2020, 04:32 PM	#273
TomBarndtsTwin MVP Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $4869883	No way they trade within the division. In fact, I’d be surprised if they trade him to an AFC team. They would have to get an offer that’s too good to refuse. I expect him to go to the NFC, unless some AFC team really steps up big time with an offer. We’ll find out soon enough, I guess . . . . . .
Posts: 8,892

03-13-2020, 04:40 PM	#274
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	I'll call my shot and guess Tampa Bay. Bunch of cap space, they blow it all on Chris Jones and Tom Brady. This is a move LeBrady the GM makes because he doesn't care about draft picks or the future.
Posts: 11,886

03-13-2020, 04:59 PM	#275
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2665047	Colts, Bucs or Dolphins.
Posts: 92,306

03-13-2020, 05:12 PM	#276
Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $3678742	Staylor is cool with a trade huh lmao
Posts: 12,844

03-13-2020, 05:59 PM	#278
TomBarndtsTwin MVP Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $4869883	I don’t think anyone necessarily WANTS to see Chris Jones gone, but the reality is that’s whats gonna happen (and that has been reinforced even more with Reid’s and Jones comments today). We just need to hope for a large return at this point. The writing is on the wall.
Posts: 8,892	1 0

03-13-2020, 05:59 PM	#279
Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $3678742	You insulted anyone who dared disagree with you. Tell me more about which sports personalities to listen to.
Posts: 12,844

03-13-2020, 06:10 PM	#280
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4162912	This is a great opportunity for the Chiefs here. Veach has been pretty good in his dealings, so I expect we will get the right compensation on this move. This is a build for the future move, and if he us able to turn those picks into starters, we could be looking at full on Chiefs Dynasty here. Its just so hard to stay at the top, sinking so much of your cap into just a few players. Even with qbs, no top tier salary qb ever made it to the superbowl, save for Eli Manning, who was i believe the fifth highest paid qb at the time. Mahomes obviously has the skills to be the exception to that rule, but with him commanding a large number, Clark getting his, its just not there to keep Jones at fair value for what he really deserves and still be able to fill out the roster for a championship level team. Hate to see the guy go, but he earned his money. In a sport where each snap could be your last, He's totally justified in taking care of his future now. __________________ She did not open her eyes this morning. I don't know what else to say.
Posts: 6,937

03-13-2020, 06:22 PM	#283
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4492858	Trade will happen. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
Posts: 30,477

03-13-2020, 06:38 PM	#284
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	What did Reid say?
Posts: 55,715