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Deberg_1990 · 12-02-2021, 07:06 AM

Discussssss

To our Fans:

I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together.

That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2.

I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions.

When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history.

We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that.

Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table.
Manfred

Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni
— MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021

Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W
— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021

Jerm · 02-11-2022, 09:34 AM

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It's not my fault you're too stupid to see that it was copied and pasted not embeded tard

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Probably should learn how to spell if you wanna try and talk shit there genius….

Titty Meat · 02-11-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

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Probably should learn how to spell if you wanna try and talk shit there genius….

Bet you aren't so tough without a keyboard

jdubya · 02-11-2022, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP

Grew with the NL. I prefer baseball where every player fields and hits in a game.

Not interested in some old fat guy extending his career.

Always had great respect for a pitcher with the ability of helping himself out at the plate with a productive at bat. Of course I miss the days where starting pitchers went deep into games going for a "complete" game. Now we just have pitchers by committee where you just want your starter to get 5 innings and then hand the ball over to a committee of middle relievers and then closer. Game is a changing

suzzer99 · 02-11-2022, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Baseball Twitter is so gross. Baseball writers are easily the worst segment of the sports media universe.

Their minions on twitter are the absolute worst. When I said that Salvy might be the last chance at a home grown HOFer who stays with the Royals, a few of them replied along the lines of "Lol Salvy won't sniff the HOF".

Those guys know how to take the fun out of everything. Also they're wrong. If Rany thinks Salvy has a real chance that's good enough for me. One more season like last year and I bet he's in. Or 3-5 more pretty good seasons.

I think the twitter slappies would rather just skip the postseason and whoever has the highest WAR at the end of the season wins. They get so bent out of shape when a low payroll team has any postseason success. Joe Sheehan hated seeing the Royals win in 14/15 (although part of that was because we didn't have enough high-strikeout, high-walk homer guys - which was deemed the right way to win). Also see Andrew Miller saying the Rays don't win the "right way". And then all the whining about the wildcard game being "Not fair!". They never whined when it was the As and Royals.

I'd have more respect for them if they just came out and said how they really feel - that the Dodgers, Sox and Yanks deserve to win more, and teams like the Royals should be happy they even get to play with the big boys.

Jerm · 02-11-2022, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Their minions on twitter are the absolute worst. When I said that Salvy might be the last chance at a home grown HOFer who stays with the Royals, a few of them replied along the lines of "Lol Salvy won't sniff the HOF".

Those guys know how to take the fun out of everything. Also they're wrong. If Rany thinks Salvy has a real chance that's good enough for me. One more season like last year and I bet he's in. Or 3-5 more pretty good seasons.

I think the twitter slappies would rather just skip the postseason and who ever has the highest WAR at the end of the season wins. They get so bent out of shape when a low payroll team has any postseason success. And then all the whining about the wildcard game being "Not fair!". They never whined when it was the As and Royals.

I'd have more respect for them if they just came out and said how they really feel - that the Dodgers, Sox and Yanks deserve to win more, and teams like the Royals should be happy they even get to play with the big boys.

Was Nightengale one of them?

kcxiv · 02-11-2022, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP

Grew with the NL. I prefer baseball where every player fields and hits in a game.

Not interested in some old fat guy extending his career.

I rather watch some old fat guy extending his career trying to hit a baseball outside of a hand full of pitchers who can actually hit. Most pitchers go up to bat and not even try at all. That shit is not fun in anyway shape or form. There is nothing thats good for baseball about that.

I'd agree if pitchers actually went up there and attempted to hit. This is best for the game in this day and age.

Ocotillo · 02-12-2022, 01:54 PM

-Offer included a raise in the minimum for 2+ players, from $700k to $725K. So now would be $615/650/725. OR League offered a straight minimum for first year players of $630k and old system after that.
-Proposal also included a 5 mil bump in the pre arb pool, from 10 to 15 mil.
— Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) February 12, 2022

Ocotillo · 02-12-2022, 01:55 PM

Service time: League also offered ability to receive 2 draft picks instead of one if a star prospect is kept up and finishes in top 3 in awards in multiple years. So Cubs would have gotten a pick after Bryant wins ROY in 2015 then one after MVP in 2016. If up all year
— Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) February 12, 2022

Ocotillo · 02-12-2022, 01:55 PM

I've covered many baseball labor tiffs. Here's my hopefully informed take:

MLB's proposal included only modest moves on min. salary, luxury tax & service time.

It shouldn't be taken at face value. It's a signal of where they're willing to move.

I doubt it's their final offer!
— Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) February 12, 2022

Titty Meat · 02-12-2022, 01:56 PM

Ocotillo · 02-12-2022, 01:59 PM

Some smaller points in latest proposal: Limit option to minors to 5 in a given season.

Also, Re-instituting draft and follow. Means can draft a player then send him to Juco for a year then sign him.

But none of this matters unless the big stuff gets done
— Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) February 12, 2022

Ocotillo · 02-12-2022, 02:00 PM

MLB today presented the MLBPA with a calendar: i.e., to start regular season on time, a deal is needed by X day. Not known what specific days/deadlines MLB suggested. Unknown yet if MLBPA agrees with the calendar as MLB sees it. Union has to review it all. TBD.
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 12, 2022

Jerm · 02-12-2022, 02:05 PM

So the “most important meeting to happen to date” concluded in 1 hour with a bullshit offer….of course lol.

They’re really just ready to off what little relevance the sport has left eh….

Strongside · 02-12-2022, 04:33 PM

The current state of baseball makes me sad. There are things they could do to increase popularity of the game, but they seem to be determined to kill it outright. NASCAR is now more progressive than MLB in terms of trying to grow and amplify the sport. It’s insane.

Rasputin · 02-13-2022, 01:22 AM

They should have locked out forever after the 2015 season and Royals be forever last team to win the World Series .

12-02-2021, 07:06 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $24454	The MLB lockout thread Discussssss To our Fans: I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together. That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2. I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions. When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history. We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams. We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more. To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that. Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table. Manfred Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni — MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021 Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W — MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021
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Ocotillo Veteran Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Red state Casino cash: $0	-Offer included a raise in the minimum for 2+ players, from $700k to $725K. So now would be $615/650/725. OR League offered a straight minimum for first year players of $630k and old system after that. -Proposal also included a 5 mil bump in the pre arb pool, from 10 to 15 mil. — Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) February 12, 2022
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Ocotillo Veteran Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Red state Casino cash: $0	Service time: League also offered ability to receive 2 draft picks instead of one if a star prospect is kept up and finishes in top 3 in awards in multiple years. So Cubs would have gotten a pick after Bryant wins ROY in 2015 then one after MVP in 2016. If up all year — Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) February 12, 2022
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Ocotillo Veteran Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Red state Casino cash: $0	I've covered many baseball labor tiffs. Here's my hopefully informed take: MLB's proposal included only modest moves on min. salary, luxury tax & service time. It shouldn't be taken at face value. It's a signal of where they're willing to move. I doubt it's their final offer! — Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) February 12, 2022
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Ocotillo Veteran Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Red state Casino cash: $0	Some smaller points in latest proposal: Limit option to minors to 5 in a given season. Also, Re-instituting draft and follow. Means can draft a player then send him to Juco for a year then sign him. But none of this matters unless the big stuff gets done — Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) February 12, 2022
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Ocotillo Veteran Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Red state Casino cash: $0	MLB today presented the MLBPA with a calendar: i.e., to start regular season on time, a deal is needed by X day. Not known what specific days/deadlines MLB suggested. Unknown yet if MLBPA agrees with the calendar as MLB sees it. Union has to review it all. TBD. — Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 12, 2022
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