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04-04-2023, 10:05 AM | #271 | |
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My thing is I can't see a situation where Rice is at that point when 31 comes up in terms of what's left on the board, paired with the rest of the WRs that will be there. Now the issue is they get cleared out by the time 63 rolls around and we're in trouble. |
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Now you're just getting into player evaluation. If the Chiefs take Rice at 31, its gonna be because they see him as an Aiyuk kind of player. We know this because we KNOW that Veach will game a draft.
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I agree, I try to ignore bc of his size but I just can't. He's one of the best separators in this draft.
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My issue would again be, there may be a rusher there who they think higher of or a OT there etc. There's a way the board could fall that this is the ideal scenario and hell, maybe they do just rate him that high. |
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Oh sure - but I'M the asshole when I spend an entire off-season jerking off Calvin Austin...
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We should remember too that when Aiyuk was drafted @ 25 there were a lot of people who thought he was a reach. People expected guys like Tee Higgins and Chase Claypool etc to go well before him.
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The NFL has a place for those big body contested catch guys. I'm not reallllly sure the Chiefs with Mahomes do. |
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I don't dislike the idea of using a 3rd to move up in 2 and grab Rice, but man that 3rd round pick is right in the meat of the depth of this draft. But lets say you come out of this thing with McDonald/Murphy/Wright and Rice as your haul over the first two days. And you have a lot of firepower to take flyers on day 3. You'd have to be happy with that, right? Even if it's just two players?
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Because Aiyuk was absolutely my guy in the 2nd. And it seemed like he might get there. I wanted him real bad with that 2nd so when he went in the first I was like "Dafuq? Y'all are dicks..." Something very similar could happen with Rice. And with Aiyuk, by the time the draft rolled around I'd talked myself into him being a reasonable pick in the 1st round. It might end up playing out the same way here.
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I'd be better with trading down 10 spots, getting an extra 3rd and taking Rice there, then whoever pass rusher you like but I digress. |
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I mean it's an intriguing thought, but you've effectively gone from: Wright (w/ an option) Rice to: Rice 2nd A pair of 3rds. Don't you trade a 2nd and a pair of 3rd for a 5-year starting RT 10 times out of 10? EDIT: Just playing with the draft boards and using the transitive property, the 31 overall pick is worth about 63, 75 and 95. So if the 3rd you'd get in the trade back is in the middle of the 3rd, the 'draft value' is roughly similar. I just think I'd rather have the closer dart throw, to use your analogy. And the 5th year option for a high value position group is just a cherry on top.
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Counterpoint: Our 3rd only moves us from about 63 to maybe 50. I'd say your target is actually going to be Miami at 51 given their relative lack of picks. There's a real chance Rice doesn't make it that far.
Meanwhile if you're skittish about him falling that far maybe you can get LV to move from 38 to 31 and give you 100 in the exchange? Or Carolina gives you 39 and 93? Though they've given up so much draft capital that seems unlikely. That would seem to lock you into Plan B but lordy that could blow up on you. You give up 31, 63 and 95 for 42, 43 and 112 from the Jets? At that point you're just kind ****ing around, though.
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The issue is who are they gonna come up to want to draft enough to trade up with me for vs me thinking "shit I like that guy to" and just taking him. In your scenario, yeah, I'm taking the RT and moving on. In my scenario, it's a bevy of pass rushers that I think are all about the same and Rice, then yeah, I'd just take him and move on. The more we've talked thru it, I don't think trading down makes sense. |
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Alot of this is gonna come down to some things we can't really know. Do they like where Niang is? Do they trust him to play RT this season and or get a cheap vet to do that?
That would essentially take alot of these tackles off the board unless you think they can be a LT and move your new LT back to RT. |
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