***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

You can still get the flu and die from it even with the shot but the odds are greatly reduced and symptoms are reduced and it would also reduce the infected which in turn reduces you risk of getting it in the first place.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

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As long as it keeps being asked, it will keep being answered.

[notorious]

A form of the virus has been in animals for years. That’s why they are testing positive.

I am curious as to who had balls big enough to swab a ****ing tiger.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So once again, if no scalable/effective vaccine is developed what is the plan?

Here is what one of the commanders of Taiwan's Infectious Disease Teams said in interview they are doing and really is what we should be doing.

Taiwan’s CDC started the border control very early and after that they tried to make it stricter, step by step.

In Taiwan the government did very well. After SARS we practiced and practiced very often for the next outbreak. You know before that we had H1N1, H5N7, H7N9, H5N1 and also a lot of infectious diseases. We also faced some true epidemics, but this is a very, very serious one.

At the end of the day we need an effective vaccine, we need effective drugs but before that the only thing we can do is face mask and hygiene, try to reduce mobility, mortality and infection rate. We need to change our lifestyle.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

As long as it keeps being asked, it will keep being answered.

Its not that simple though and you know it. It's only much more deadly to a specific demographic.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by notorious

A form of the virus has been in animals for years. That’s why they are testing positive.

A pawpaw is a fruit.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by stevieray

A pawpaw is a fruit.

Maybe that's how it got transmitted to humans!

[ChiliConCarnage]

Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said.

Strange, but I guess it could be good if it meant people who’ve been essential aren’t getting it as much due to immunity levels.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by stevieray

A pawpaw is a fruit.

I won’t comment on the fruit, just the tiger and the goat.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its not that simple though and you know it. It's only much more deadly to a specific demographic.

Yes, it is that simple. It's deadlier and new. That's why we, and everyone else, locked down.

If you want to try to argue that the CFR is the same as seasonal flu, sure, we can do that.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by notorious

I won’t comment on the fruit, just the tiger and the goat.

lions and tigers and goats OH MY!

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, it is that simple. It's deadlier and new. That's why we, and everyone else, locked down.

If you want to try to argue that the CFR is the same as seasonal flu, sure, we can do that.

You are wrong which is evidenced by you ignoring my point so no need to discuss further.

[Mecca]

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-m...ng-memo-2020-5

That's kind of odd.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You are wrong which is evidenced by you ignoring my point so no need to discuss further.

I'm not wrong. This is new/novel. Seasonal flu is not. It's CFR is also higher than seasonal flu.

I'm aware that COVID-19 kills more elderly than young. So does seasonal flu. That doesn't change the fact that the CFR is higher than seasonal flu, which I presume you aren't going to try to dispute.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its not that simple though and you know it. It's only much more deadly to a specific demographic.

Cuomo said 27% of the hospitalizations were under 51, the young may not be dying but it is still affecting them causing potential long term damage an d reduced life expectancy.