***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

This is why I advocated for the grounding all domestic and international flights. Seems so simple.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/u...gtype=Homepage

Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks

New York City’s coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country.

The research indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the country before the city began setting social distancing limits to stop the growth. That helped to fuel outbreaks in Louisiana, Texas, Arizona and as far away as the West Coast.

The findings are drawn from geneticists’ tracking signature mutations of the virus, travel histories of infected people and models of the outbreak by infectious disease experts.

“We now have enough data to feel pretty confident that New York was the primary gateway for the rest of the country,” said Nathan Grubaugh, an epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm not wrong. This is new/novel. Seasonal flu is not. It's CFR is also higher than seasonal flu.

I'm aware that COVID-19 kills more elderly than young. So does seasonal flu. That doesn't change the fact that the CFR is higher than seasonal flu, which I presume you aren't going to try to dispute.

If you are under 50, right now are you more likely statistically speaking, to die from seasonal flu or Covid? Simple yes or no will suffice.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Cuomo said 27% of the hospitalizations were under 51, the yin g may not be dying but it is still affecting them causing potential long term damage an d reduced life expectancy.

That's not what the data suggest, no idea why you believe a thing Cuomo has ever said.

Here is some data on age etc...and NYC is one of the studies.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you are under 50, right now are you more likely statistically speaking, to die from seasonal flu or Covid? Simple yes or no will suffice.

Considering that we are in the middle of a COVID-19 pandemic, and seasonal flu is over, I'd say COVID-19.

A simple yes or no wouldn't answer the question.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Considering that we are in the middle of a COVID-19 pandemic, and seasonal flu is over, I'd say COVID-19.

A simple yes or no wouldn't answer the question.

You said it was that simple Donger, not me, I actually said "it's not that simple".

Mark yourself down for another "L".

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-m...ng-memo-2020-5

That's kind of odd.

My guess is that it's temporary because they don't trust the testing. Perhaps they think that even if the tests show negative then they aren't truly clear of it?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You said it was that simple Donger, not me, I actually said "it's not that simple".

Mark yourself down for another "L".

It is simple. We locked down because this bug is new and is more deadly (CFR) than seasonal influenza, which was pete's question.

Are you going to argue that the CFR of COVID-19 is the same as the CFR for seasonal flu, or not?

If you are not, you agree with me.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Because it isn't as deadly as COVID-19 and COVID-19 was/is a novel virus.

So **** the people who die from it nonetheless?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So **** the people who die from it nonetheless?

Not at all. But we don't shutdown over it, for the reasons given.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The flu shot the thing that saves lives that 50% of the country is afraid to take because big pharma only created to make Money.is the reason we don’t shut stuff down during influenza and we still lockdown nursing homes during those outbreaks, if 100% took it you wouldn’t be able to compare covid to the flu right now either

We still have thousands and thousands oe people who die and millions who get it. But **** them right?

I am just using the logic you used.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Not at all. But we don't shutdown over it, for the reasons given.

Yeah cause **** them

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We still have thousands and thousands oe people who die and millions who get it. But **** them right?

I am just using the logic you used.

The flu is serious that is what I am saying and covid is more serious I want people to take both seriously, comparing covid t to something really deadly in an effort to down play seems odd to me.if there is a flu outbreak at work and I didn’t get the flu shot and don’t want to take tamiflu they for e me to stay home unpaid

[stumppy]

Groudhog day on CP.
Same group of posters trying to find some...any angle to claim CV19 is the same or not as bad as the seasonal flu.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The flu is serious that is what I am saying and covid is more serious I want people to take both seriously, comparing t to something really deadly in an effort to down play seems odd to me.

I am now downplaying anything. Just trying to figure out why someone who dies from covid is somehow more important than someone who dies from the flu?

I am not saying they are equally lethal. Just pointing out a touch of bias is all.

[Fat Elvis]