***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Demonpenz]

Man if you take out that 90 yard run we only allowed 40 yards per game /vermeil yeah but that run ****ing happened

If you take out new York yadda yadda yadda. Yeah but new York happened.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Will they be unemployed for ever?
The elderly are part of the economy, hospitals, drug companies, nursing home a lot of jobs revolve around them as well, I know not everyone with get in their feet at the same time or ever again , but the will still get the opportunity.

Lmao,


Yeah it will be a great opportunity guys! When MILLIONS of people default on loans the banks will just shrug it off.

No problem just get more money right?

Jesus some of you people have no concept on how economically dangerous COVID is becoming.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

This just isn't true. We are testing anyone that dies in the hospital or at home who had symptoms of Covid-19 from the start. In fact, the CDC is having anyone with similar symptoms to Covid-19 be list as a probable Covid-19 deaths and those are in all of the counts we see. When comparing deaths this year to probable deaths during previous years for the same time period, we are under in some weeks and over in some, but the over is less than amount of Covid deaths. H1N1, killed more young and healthy, it's just a fact, and the CDC admitted they didn't have testing capabilities to test everyone who they thought had H1N1 at the time. This has been linked previously in this thread.

Did you ever think that's why the CDC estimates of deaths were multiple times that of laboratory-confirmed deaths for H1N1?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

4 countries that are islands (South Korea is effectively a island) and one I wouldn't trust any health reporting from.

Hows Europe doing?

Better than the US right now, which is why their caseloads and deaths are declining at a faster rate, and some of their countries are able to begin opening while not at their peak.

Keep moving those goalposts, though. It is in no way transparent.

[O.city]

Even if you just open the gates up, the economy is gonna take a while to come back. People aren't running out and shopping and such.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Lmao,


Yeah it will be a great opportunity guys! When MILLIONS of people default on loans the banks will just shrug it off.

No problem just get more money right?

Jesus some of you people have no concept on how economically dangerous COVID is becoming.

What do you want me to do?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Lmao,


Yeah it will be a great opportunity guys! When MILLIONS of people default on loans the banks will just shrug it off.

No problem just get more money right?

Jesus some of you people have no concept on how economically dangerous COVID is becoming.

"It's not a bug; it's a design feature."


Econ related news, there are fewer private sector jobs now than there was in Q2 2001.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Better than the US right now, which is why their caseloads and deaths are declining at a faster rate, and some of their countries are able to begin opening while not at their peak.

Keep moving those goalposts, though. It is in no way transparent.

Ahhh Europe is better than the US huh?

Based on what metric? Is it their 147,000 Deaths? is it their 1.5 million cases?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ahhh Europe is better than the US huh?

Based on what metric? Is it their 147,000 Deaths? is it their 1.5 million cases?

Are numerous countries in Europe currently handling this pandemic better than the US? Without a doubt. Are certain countries handling this poorly? Yes. Is Europe a monolith? No.

The total population of Europe is also 2.5 times that of the US, which means even if you treated it as a monolith that more people are dying per capita here than there. They are also farther along in the history of their epidemic, as it reached critical capacity there before here.

[Pablo]

DC regulars trying to step out of the way of the Hamas steamroller in this thread:

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Are numerous countries in Europe currently handling this pandemic better than the US? Without a doubt. Are certain countries handling this poorly? Yes. Is Europe a monolith? No.

The total population of Europe is also 2.5 times that of the US, which means even if you treated it as a monolith that more people are dying per capita here than there. They are also farther along in the history of their epidemic, as it reached critical capacity there before here.

Are there numerous states handling the crisis better than Europe? Without a doubt. Are certain states handling this poorly? Yes. Is the United States a monolith? no.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

Rates by age: 16.53 deaths/100K

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/down...y-05062020.pdf

557 confirmed deaths 18-44 and 115 probable

Are you ever right about anything?

I was looking at data they stopped updating April 14th for some reason.

And again you are using the biggest possible outlier in the country, mainly people with serious underlying conditions to compare to incomplete data from 2017-2018.

How many people died from flu during the 2017-2018 season?
While flu deaths in children are reported to CDC, flu deaths in adults are not nationally notifiable. In order to monitor influenza related deaths in all age groups, CDC tracks pneumonia and influenza (P&I)-attributed deaths through the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) Mortality Reporting System. This system tracks the proportion of death certificates processed that list pneumonia or influenza as the underlying or contributing cause of death. This system provides an overall indication of whether flu-associated deaths are elevated, but does not provide an exact number of how many people died

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Lmao,


Yeah it will be a great opportunity guys! When MILLIONS of people default on loans the banks will just shrug it off.

No problem just get more money right?

Jesus some of you people have no concept on how economically dangerous COVID is becoming.

If we are going to use NYC as the standard for how things are going and need to be handled we may as well throw in the ****ing towel.

[Mecca]

https://www.newsweek.com/overwhelmin...e-poll-1502444

Seems to be the opposite of what I read here.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Pablo

DC regulars trying to step out of the way of the Hamas steamroller in this thread: