***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

That would lend some credence that you don’t necessarily need 60% for herd immunity

But that’s not a for sure thing

That would be good.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

That would lend some credence that you don’t necessarily need 60% for herd immunity

But that’s not a for sure thing

That would explain the burn off rate of this virus, looking at new case numbers around the world (I know testing is a issue) but we should be WELL above where we are right now.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

That would explain the burn off rate of this virus, looking at new case numbers around the world (I know testing is a issue) but we should be WELL above where we are right now.

Cause everyone locked down ?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

Cause everyone locked down ?

Maybe,

Sweden will be a interesting case study. Because again the same amount of people will get sick with CoronaVirus. And right now compared to the countries that are around them they are within the margin of error with NO LOCK DOWN.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Maybe,

Sweden will be a interesting case study. Because again the same amount of people will get sick with CoronaVirus. And right now compared to the countries that are around them they are within the margin of error with NO LOCK DOWN.

Sweden isn’t wide open and normal business though.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Maybe,

Sweden will be a interesting case study. Because again the same amount of people will get sick with CoronaVirus. And right now compared to the countries that are around them they are within the margin of error with NO LOCK DOWN.

We aren't going to know about Sweden for several months. But lets hope for everyone's sake no one sees a huge relapse in all of this.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sweden isn’t wide open and normal business though.

They are more so than anyone else though.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

They are more so than anyone else though.

Hey man, you're back!

[FloridaMan88]

At least 50% of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths are in nursing homes... it doesn't seem like the lockdown countries... specifically the US, UK, France, Italy and Spain are having any more success with protecting their nursing homes.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sweden isn’t wide open and normal business though.

Sure,

But all things considered they are much more open than most. And again the virus isn't exploding there at rate unlike most Western countries.

Hence,

They become a solid argument for opening things back up safely. And could possibly offer hope that you don't need to be 60% infected for herd immunity.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Hey man, you're back!

I never left you, lew......

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

At least 50% of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths are in nursing homes... it doesn't seem like the lockdown countries... specifically the US, UK, France, Italy and Spain are having any more success with protecting their nursing homes.

That's what I was wondering the other day. It would be cool if someone had the data and could break it down so we could see comparisons of lock down vs. non-lock down both on a country v. country bases and state v. state

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

At least 50% of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths are in nursing homes... it doesn't seem like the lockdown countries... specifically the US, UK, France, Italy and Spain are having any more success with protecting their nursing homes.

I think this lends more ammunition to those who think COVID has been here since late last year. Meaning by the time we started putting measures in place it was already to late.

Again,

It is my belief serology will show that as much as 30-50% of the population was already infected by April. However they didn't show symptoms.


If you look at the growth of this virus infecting people its spread slowed twice, which shouldn't happen with a virus this infectious UNLESS more people got it and didnt know about it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I think this lends more ammunition to those who think COVID has been here since late last year. Meaning by the time we started putting measures in place it was already to late.

Again,

It is my belief serology will show that as much as 30-50% of the population was already infected by April. However they didn't show symptoms.


If you look at the growth of this virus infecting people its spread slowed twice, which shouldn't happen with a virus this infectious UNLESS more people got it and didnt know about it.

We have serology already that doesn’t show that.

Wouldn’t all the lockdowns and distancing have slowed down the growth? That seems pretty solid reasoning wise

[petegz28]

Greece is claiming "success" over Covid-19 and will re-open tourism in July.