***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Not for the people who get killed by drunk drivers it isn't.

The implication of this lockdown is simple: the government now has a mandate to prevent 'excess' deaths stemming from some people's decisions effecting others which logically extends to all other activities, selfish or otherwise, causing 'excess' deaths.

they chose to get in a car.


people get covid from doing the bare necessities to live.


there's a difference

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I know they can test for covid in stool but wasn't aware it was contagious.

[Lzen]

Thought this was worth sharing:

After listening to some pretty harsh comments & arguing over reopening or completely shutting down for another two weeks someone in their right mind wrote this.

Don’t know who wrote it, but it’s spot on.

Perspective:

WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.

For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.

For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.

With the $600 weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.

Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0.

Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.

Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.

Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.

Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.

Some children are doing “at home learning” with educated parents, while other children are with abusive, stressed out parents, without safety at school.

Some have faith in God and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.

So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.

Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.

We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey.

Realize that and be kind.

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[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You didn't get the memo? Those people don't count.

Sure they do, just pile 'em on the Covid body count. FEAR!!!

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

oh they count and it's a terrible thing.

but they made a choice, right?

who is choosing to get the virus?

Yea... They chose to have their businesses shutdown and their jobs vanish...

Should we move on to the large increase in Domestic violence calls and the large decline in child abuse reports and why these are negative results of shutdowns as well?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Supposedly 900 including 200 front line workers

They did pcr testing so it wouldn’t show it they had had it and recovered though

Heard from our mayor this morning that we're going to be doing a random sampling of about 2000 people here in St Joe over the next week to see what kind of impact the outbreak at Triumph has had on the rest of the community.

He didn't clarify, but I assume this will be pcr testing as well.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Yea... They chose to have their businesses shutdown and their jobs vanish...

Should we move on to the large increase in Domestic violence calls and the large decline in child abuse reports and why these are negative results of shutdowns as well?

The collateral damage argument works for Covid and non covid related damage.

People can also stay in their basement if they don't want to risk catching anything, even after we open back up. That's a choice as well.

You can still do grocery pick up, curbside food pick up, every single thing you're doing now can continue while those that want can start to get on with their lives.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

they chose to get in a car.


people get covid from doing the bare necessities to live.


there's a difference

So getting in your car to go to work to earn money to feed yourself isn't a bare necessity?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Yea... They chose to have their businesses shutdown and their jobs vanish...

Should we move on to the large increase in Domestic violence calls and the large decline in child abuse reports and why these are negative results of shutdowns as well?

no they probably didnt choose that.

my business has been shut down and i havent killed myself, beat my wife or my children, go crazy on drugs or alcohol.

you know why? because i didnt CHOOSE to...


jesus ****ing christ guys.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

from stool , lol

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The collateral damage argument works for Covid and non covid related damage.

People can also stay in their basement if they don't want to risk catching anything, even after we open back up. That's a choice as well.

You can still do grocery pick up, curbside food pick up, every single thing you're doing now can continue while those that want can start to get on with their lives.

you know what? those people that chose to do the right thing are stuck in an endless cycle because of all the people not doing what was asked of them.


what do you recommend for those people?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So getting in your car to go to work to earn money to feed yourself isn't a bare necessity?

not always.


but here we are back to the drunk drivers deflection. they kill 11k people a year.


this thing killed 11k last week IIRC

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

no they probably didnt choose that.

my business has been shut down and i havent killed myself, beat my wife or my children, go crazy on drugs or alcohol.

you know why? because i didnt CHOOSE to...


jesus ****ing christ guys.

Holy ****..the shark has been jumped

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

you know what? those people that chose to do the right thing are stuck in an endless cycle because of all the people not doing what was asked of them.


what do you recommend for those people?

I recommend they take Xanax, because clearly they let fear control them.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

not always.


but here we are back to the drunk drivers deflection. they kill 11k people a year.


this thing killed 11k last week IIRC

There's no philosophical difference between 11,000 deaths and 111,000 deaths when the causes of both are preventable.