***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Here we go again. New day, same arguments. Would it be better to have another thread with only new science being reported in regards to Covid-19 so you all can argue politics while not arguing politics?

Seemed more like arguing for the sake of arguing to me. I suppose there could have been a political slant in there but I'm not even going to hazard a guess as to what it may have been.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There's no philosophical difference between 11,000 deaths and 111,000 deaths when the causes of both are preventable.

whatever makes you feel better about it.


did you find a job yet?


scared to go look arent you? but you can sit online and lecture people huh?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

whatever makes you feel better about it.


did you find a job yet?


scared to go look arent you? but you can sit online and lecture people huh?

I mean......... What are we all doing right now?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

whatever makes you feel better about it.

Intellectually stimulating argument here.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What the **** ever, dude. You said something completely off base. You spin it however you need too.

i didnt say anything completely off base.


choosing to work far enough away from your house you need to drive is also a choice pete.

i can walk easily, ride my bike.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/85315

SARS was definitively proven to community spread through sewer pipes and air circulation systems in apartment buildings. The fact Covid-19 is heavily concentrated in the shit of people with infections along with the study above makes sense that the same may be true of Covid-19, not to mention what we witnessed in NY but not LA for instance.

This is quite interesting, especially considering that there are hundreds of thousands of apartments in SoCal that don't have Central Air or Heat and millions of homes that don't have central air or heat because it's generally unnecessary, especially homes that are closer to the ocean.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Intellectually stimulating argument here.

if you dont see a difference between 11k and 111k i cant help you

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i didnt say anything completely off base.


choosing to work far enough away from your house you need to drive is also a choice pete.

i can walk easily, ride my bike.

And people who are worried about the corona virus make a CHOICE to leave their house.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

really?

it's a pretty accurate assessment.


ok, whats making those people do that?

coronavirus fears makes their brain tell their hands to hit a child or woman?

No, dude. It's not. It is beyond ****ing idiotic. Most people who abuse their children or spouses or drugs and alcohol for that matter are sick and have problems. whether it's anger, bipolar, addictions, whatever. They don't do it just because "they choose too".

I swear you are either a giant ****ing idiot or you have never actually met a person or people in those situations.

[dirk digler]

Positivity rates declining in many states as covid19 testing expands nationally. pic.twitter.com/Ztj6OUTlSm

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 8, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i didnt say anything completely off base.


choosing to work far enough away from your house you need to drive is also a choice pete.

i can walk easily, ride my bike.

Not everyone can ride their bike 3 blocks to work. JFC are you just purposely being a moron today or what?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

if you dont see a difference between 11k and 111k i cant help you

I guess one is enabled by lobbyist activity and the other isn't.

[DaneMcCloud]

On to some positive news, Disney Shanghai announced their re-opening and soldout within minutes. I think this is more proof that the economy will restart much more quickly than the naysayers are expecting.

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...pening-1293899

Shanghai Disneyland Tickets Sell Out Instantly for First Days After Reopening

The Walt Disney Co.'s flagship theme park in China is preparing to reopen on Monday after a three-month closure because of the novel coronavirus pandemic, and so far, audience demand appears robust. Tickets for the first days of the Walt Disney Co.'s Shanghai Disneyland re-opening sold out almost instantly on Friday as the theme park gets ready to next week end a three-month shutdown in response to the novel coronavirus pandemic.

The Shanghai Disney Resort is scheduled to have its grand reopening on Monday. The Chinese government has asked Disney to cap attendance at 30 percent of capacity, or approximately 24,000 people, to help staff and customers adjust to new health and safety measures like social distancing, required mask wearing, more frequent cleaning and temperature checks.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Positivity rates declining in many states as covid19 testing expands nationally. pic.twitter.com/Ztj6OUTlSm

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 8, 2020

Fox Business literally just had a banner saying cases were up 2.4% nationally. I wish they could all read the same Magic 8 Ball at the same time.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Positivity rates declining in many states as covid19 testing expands nationally. pic.twitter.com/Ztj6OUTlSm

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 8, 2020

Really starting to look like it is burning out.