***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Hope you stay well.

Thanks.

I drank a lot of bourbon on Saturday and I'd say that's definitely better than gargling like Pete's suggesting.

I'm likely cured.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Thanks.

I drank a lot of bourbon on Saturday and I'd say that's definitely better than gargling like Pete's suggesting.

I'm likely cured.

Heh I said gargle vinegar. You start gargling whiskey and we will have a problem. Swallow that shit like a man.

[POND_OF_RED]

Not sure if this chart has been posted, but this is a good chart for breaking down the deaths by age range.
https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku

Some interesting statistics in there if you do the math. Obviously it isn’t up to the minute but we can probably assume the percentages will stay about the same. Seems like it’s definitely not as fatal in the younger crowds as the headlines try to make it seem.

It lists 44,016 total Coronavirus deaths. I did the percentage breakdown.

0-24 years old: .13% (This age group is twice as likely to die from influenza according to the chart)
25-34 years old: .72%
35-44 years old: 1.81%
45-54 years old: 5.14%
55-64 years old: 12.31%
65-74 years old: 21.26%
75-84 years old: 27.32%
85+ years old: 31.30%

[Stryker]

For those that work from home, be grateful. You guys do not see the infected first hand - trust me, it is NOT pretty. We have officially cured and released 350 +individuals infected.

This will get worse before it gets better - fact. If all NFL teams have to be on the same page before training can begin, then you can forget it. Jets, Giants, Redskins and Lions will hold this season back.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Stryker

For those that work from home, be grateful. You guys do not see the infected first hand - trust me, it is NOT pretty. We have officially cured and released 350 +individuals infected.

This will get worse before it gets better - fact. If all NFL teams have to be on the same page before training can begin, then you can forget it. Jets, Giants, Redskins and Lions will hold this season back.

As well as Seattle, New Orleans and San Francisco. It is going to effect the season - believe it.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by Stryker

For those that work from home, be grateful. You guys do not see the infected first hand - trust me, it is NOT pretty. We have officially cured and released 350 +individuals infected.

This will get worse before it gets better - fact. If all NFL teams have to be on the same page before training can begin, then you can forget it. Jets, Giants, Redskins and Lions will hold this season back.

I'm sure many of us have seen the infected and just don't know it because most infected develop no symptoms or minor symptoms that mirror a cold. A fraction of the infected end up in the hospital with the "not pretty" symptoms. I'm sure that the patients that end up hospitalized from the flu or pneumonia have similar "not pretty" experiences as well.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

I'm sure many of us have seen the infected and just don't know it because most infected develop no symptoms or minor symptoms that mirror a cold. A fraction of the infected end up in the hospital with the "not pretty" symptoms. I'm sure that the patients that end up hospitalized from the flu or pneumonia have similar "not pretty" experiences as well.

I love how you guys try and minimizing the jobs of people dealing these patients like the you know anything about it. Maybe these jobs should take some time off as we try and open up.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

I'm sure many of us have seen the infected and just don't know it because most infected develop no symptoms or minor symptoms that mirror a cold. A fraction of the infected end up in the hospital with the "not pretty" symptoms. I'm sure that the patients that end up hospitalized from the flu or pneumonia have similar "not pretty" experiences as well.

Got a link to those numbers?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I love how you guys try and minimizing the jobs of people dealing these patients like the you know anything about it. Maybe these jobs should take some time off as we try and open up.

Serious question, if the hospitals are mainly empty and running at 50% or less capacity from everyone you talk to who work in them, how is this so much harder on the doctors and nurses than normal?

I know a ton of people who work in medicine, they are all "underwhelmed" at this point. Maybe in NYC or specific areas its a bit much but in 95% of the country its not.

Now once electives and minor procedures open back up they are going be slammed I am sure.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes today is Sunday but 720 deaths is the lowest number seen in well over a month. Either all the counters took the day off for Mother's day or even for a Sunday we are very low.

People need to keep in mind as the media starts freaking out on the Tuesday-Frida numbers, Sat and Sun aren't as good as they look but Monday and even possibly Tuesday aren't as bad as they look.

thats why ive been telling you for weeks to average those days out...

[SAUTO]

i cant believe all the guys waiting on the MLB test arent talking about it now that it has came out.


oh wait, yes i can... it doesnt support their 40% infected numbers.


5600+ from across the nation, 28 teams IIRC and the antibody rate is .7%.


thats not very encouraging

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I love how you guys try and minimizing the jobs of people dealing these patients like the you know anything about it. Maybe these jobs should take some time off as we try and open up.

Sadly with hospitals empty thise people are being forced to take time off.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Serious question, if the hospitals are mainly empty and running at 50% or less capacity from everyone you talk to who work in them, how is this so much harder on the doctors and nurses than normal?

I know a ton of people who work in medicine, they are all "underwhelmed" at this point. Maybe in NYC or specific areas its a bit much but in 95% of the country its not.

Now once electives and minor procedures open back up they are going be slammed I am sure.

The departments that deal with acute respiratory illness are near, full or above capacity which is a small portion of the hospital because we don't normally need them at this rate, and having to deal with every patient as suspicious for COVID is time consuming, mentally and physically exhausting .

So yes most of the Hospital is quiet but the people dealing with these patients are dealing with a lot and putting themselves and family at risk .

Not every hospital/region is the same but just because it isn't affecting everyone doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sadly with hospitals empty thise people are being forced to take time off.

I'm at a hospital right now and it's dead. Normally super packed. Eerie seeing things like this.

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[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sadly with hospitals empty thise people are being forced to take time off.

We may as well shut them all down them since we don't look they are needed.