***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by tk13

I agree with you. Farmers can see the problems coming over the hill that no one else can see, and people should be listening to them.

The problem is you're willing to accept that but not what the doctors and scientists say are also spending every day fighting this virus. You're just picking and choosing what you want to hear.

Pretty much

But i will say, it's just a shitsandwhich that's gonna require some uh, hard choices.

Looking at it from the medical side, we have a virus that effects the elderly at a higher rate than the young whereas food shortages and such, well, thats an everyone problem.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by tk13

I agree with you. Farmers can see the problems coming over the hill that no one else can see, and people should be listening to them.

The problem is you're willing to accept that but not what the doctors and scientists say are also spending every day fighting this virus. You're just picking and choosing what you want to hear.

Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.

MEANWHILE

All Farmers and Ranchers are pretty much saying the same shit...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Well Im sure some would, but unemployment is more than most made anyways right now.

In 6 months when it runs out what then?

Ok so then why keep bringing up those 34 million unemployed? Are you saying that at least some of them are by choice?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Ok so then why keep bringing up those 34 million unemployed? Are you saying that at least some of them are by choice?

Not what we were talking about, don't read into Donger was arguing 19 meat packing plants were closed.

[jdubya]

Someday common sense will prevail.

1. If you can work from home, great

2. If you are young and healthy and want to work, get to work

3. If you feel sick, stay home

4. If elderly or have comorbidities, stay home and make arrangements for care and shopping needs.

5. Washing hands routinely, getting plenty of rest and eating healthy do more for your immune system and prevention than almost every mask out there. Most masks are useless and improperly worn anyway.

Stop the madness already

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The smartest thing you can do at Costco is go right around 9, they open at 8 for old people shop and if you get there at 9, no one questions your age yet they're real open isn't until 10 so you can get in and out super fast.

yep got there a little after 9 on Sunday and got in fairly quickly. they keep the people to a minimum which is great along with forcing masks.

[Titty Meat]

Sounds like our testing process which is most critical to returning to normal is still lagging behind most kd the world

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Sounds like our testing process which is most critical to returning to normal is still lagging behind most kd the world

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ain't it the truth.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.

MEANWHILE

All Farmers and Ranchers are pretty much saying the same shit...

It's really hard to have any respect for this point of view when the evidence has been laid bare before you multiple times and you're still too stupid/stubborn to acknowledge it.

Current treatment guidelines do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic or therapeutic measure


The largest study yet conducted on hydroxychloroquine use in COVID-19 found no benefit, and the study authors removed its use from institutional protocol.

[dirk digler]

Here is the study everyone was waiting for. NY released their trial info for HCQ

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2766117

Question Among patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is there an association between use of hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, and in-hospital mortality?


Findings In a retrospective cohort study of 1438 patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York, compared with treatment with neither drug, the adjusted hazard ratio for in-hospital mortality for treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone was 1.08, for azithromycin alone was 0.56, and for combined hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was 1.35. None of these hazard ratios were statistically significant.


Meaning Among patients hospitalized with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both was not associated with significantly lower in-hospital mortality.


From a sample of 7914 patients with COVID-19 admitted in New York metropolitan hospitals during March 15 through 28, a total of 2362 records were randomly selected, and 1438 were abstracted and included in the analyses (Figure 1). The date of final follow-up was April 24, 2020. Of these patients, 735 (51.1%) received hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin, 271 (18.8%) received hydroxychloroquine alone, 211 (14.7%) received azithromycin alone, and 221 (15.4%) received neither drug.

Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality. However, the interpretation of these findings may be limited by the observational design.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.

The FDA cautioned using that drug for COVID-19 patients. Many studies have said it's ineffective against the virus and another was published today by the Journal of the American Medical Association saying it was ineffective.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/11/healt...rus/index.html

Yet another study shows hydroxychloroquine doesn't work against Covid-19

A new study -- the largest of its kind -- shows that hydroxychloroquine, the drug touted by the White House, does not work against Covid-19 and could cause heart problems. The study was published Monday in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It follows a study published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine that also showed the drug doesn't fight the virus.

Even before these reports were published, the US Food and Drug Administration and the National Institutes of Health issued warnings about using the drugs for coronavirus patients. "The nail has virtually been put in the coffin of hydroxychloroquine," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert and longtime adviser to the US Centers for Disease.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.

MEANWHILE

All Farmers and Ranchers are pretty much saying the same shit...

This has been debunked as a right wing talking point for nearly 2 months now.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Sounds like our testing process which is most critical to returning to normal is still lagging behind most kd the world

How exactly is it lagging behind most of the world?