***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm waiting to see if we hit a surge in hospital capacity here in St Joe due to the Triumph deal. We currently have 10 people hospitalized. We're about 1/12th full on what we can handle on Covid patients.

Little bit of info I heard so I can't claim it as official but allegedly our main hospitals had a peak of 26 covid cases that were actually hospitalized. We obviously are not the only health system in the KC area but we do have 4 hospitals spread out throughout the city and across the state line.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Little bit of info I heard so I can't claim it as official but allegedly our main hospitals had a peak of 26 covid cases that were actually hospitalized. We obviously are not the only health system in the KC area but we do have 4 hospitals spread out throughout the city and across the state line.

Houston has only had at max 100 cases in Methodist hospitals. Never came close to our capacity

[stumppy]

Alrighty, this thread needed a little kick in the ass. It was getting down right boring.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Alrighty, this thread needed a little kick in the ass. It was getting down right boring.

Almost to 2000 pages, at this point what left to bitch about?

-Testing Good
-Virus Mortality Rate down
-Serology proving every day it was here sooner than we knew

etc..

The more we learn, the more we understand NO ONE was going to do anything to prevent a outbreak.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Even if it happens, it'll be a logistical nightmare for franchises that need to load absolutely everything and ship it out of state.

Yeah how unprecedented would that be for teams to have to load “absolutely everything” to go out of state for training camp.

Like the Chiefs did for 15+ years going to Wisconsin.

Like the Cowboys currently do going to California.

Like the Saints currently do going to West Virginia.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This is classic panic porn.

We need to test more
More tests will find more cases
We fully expect cases to go up as we test more
We start testing more

WHY ARE THE CASES GOING UP?!?!?!?!

MOAR TESTING!!!!


Meanwhile Mo has fallen from 22nd in total cases to now 27th.

JFC, "panic porn"? Media faking mass hysteria? Only those with underlying conditions are at risk? Stop testing?

Someone has been hanging out in DC.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Almost to 2000 pages, at this point what left to bitch about?

-Testing Good
-Virus Mortality Rate down
-Serology proving every day it was here sooner than we knew

etc..

The more we learn, the more we understand NO ONE was going to do anything to prevent a outbreak.

The majority come to this thread for information and discussion. Not to bitch about something.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And with more testing comes more cases then we get the fabricated "freak out"
because there are more cases as a result of the additional testing that we wanted and knew would show more cases.

You were in here this weekend "freaking out".

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by sedated

JFC, "panic porn"? Media faking mass hysteria? Only those with underlying conditions are at risk? Stop testing?

Someone has been hanging out in DC.

Yeah, the video of CBS faking a tent line is all about DC, right?

I think you should talk less.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You were in here this weekend "freaking out".

First of all that's a pretty low blow as I have never downplayed anyone or anyone's family being sick. If you want to argue media generated panic vs actually hoping your sick child doesn't have covid then that's on you.


So you can politely take your little "gotcha" and go **** yourself off with a pine cone.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

First of all that's a pretty low blow as I have never downplayed anyone or anyone's family being sick. If you want to argue media generated panic vs actually hoping your sick child doesn't have covid then that's on you.


So you can politely take your little "gotcha" and go **** yourself off with a pine cone.

You rightfully got scared, as I would and any one else. I am very glad he only had strep and wouldn't wish this crap on anybody.

My daughter is on the front lines on the Covid Unit in KC dealing with this shit and every day I come in here and people liken this to the flu or it's not serious nonsense or saying it is a freak out. Every day I sit here and wonder if this is the day she gets sick and goes on a vent.

It is serious shit and scary as hell but it is frustrating because so many people down play this pandemic. I don't get it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You rightfully got scared, as I would and any one else. I am very glad he only had strep and wouldn't wish this crap on anybody.

My daughter is on the front lines on the Covid Unit in KC dealing with this shit and every day I come in here and people liken this to the flu or it's not serious nonsense or saying it is a freak out. Every day I sit here and wonder if this is the day she gets sick and goes on a vent.

It is serious shit and scary as hell but it is frustrating because so many people down play this pandemic. I don't get it.

There is a difference between downplaying things which I don't think many have done and then the media fabricating panic. Now you know me and my political leanings. You know where I got the term "panic porn" from? From someone I generally disagree with.

Because that is what it is. Part of the reason I was "freaking out" as you put it was not because I thought my kid was going to die but the crap my family might be getting ready to have to go through because in large part but not solely from the media generated panic.

The media loves tragedy, scandal and war. We all know this. They thrive on it. From Chris Cuomo faking his "isolation" in his basement to over the top headlines that use words such as "apocalypse" in an article that is supposed to be good news.

Why would anyone ever think Covid-19 is any different?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

There is a difference between downplaying things which I don't think many have done and then the media fabricating panic. Now you know me and my political leanings. You know where I got the term "panic porn" from? From someone I generally disagree with.

Because that is what it is. Part of the reason I was "freaking out" as you put it was not because I thought my kid was going to die but the crap my family might be getting ready to have to go through because in large part but not solely from the media generated panic.

The media loves tragedy, scandal and war. We all know this. They thrive on it. From Chris Cuomo faking his "isolation" in his basement to over the top headlines that use words such as "apocalypse" in an article that is supposed to be good news.

Why would anyone ever think Covid-19 is any different?

I agree with you in regards to the media, we know they have an agenda.

Pete I like you but I think you down play it sometimes and I think if you ask most people here they would agree.

I don't get that because you work in a hospital and you see it everyday what these courageous doctors and nurses are doing. And when there is a rise in cases in KC they are going to your hospital and my daughters further exposing more people, endangering more lives. These aren't just numbers they are real people scared, just like you were and I am.

I just wish people would think about that more.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree with you in regards to the media, we know they have an agenda.

You work in a hospital and you see it everyday what these courageous doctors and nurses are doing. And when there is a rise in cases in KC they are going to your hospital and my daughters further exposing more people, endangering more lives. These aren't just numbers they are real people scared.

I just wish people would think about that more.

Truth be told we aren't forecasting a significant rise in hospitalizations. That doesn't mean a rise in cases won't happen but one is doesn't necessarily mean the other. And yes, there are people who are scared. Some for good reason. if you are a high risk individual you should be scared. But the virus is not a death sentence for 99% of the people who get it and we have to keep that in perspective.

People say I downplay it because I don't have a doom and gloom view of it or otherwise don't share their particular view.

[Titty Meat]

Yeah Pete is pretty predictable. When I see a certain group of folks on Facebook share memes he usually comes to this thread and echos the post in some fashion. This past weekend I started seeing "Covid has only killed .05 people in Kansas or something stupid like that.

So I looked up the stats if COVID kills as many as it has the past 6 weeks in Kansas it would end up being the 3rd largest killer in the state behind jesrt disease and cancer. Just slightly ahead of accidents and that's in KS a state not hit nearly as hard as others by COVID.

These people have been proven wrong at every turn and try new ways to downplay the virus instead of just admitting the obvious: they are wrong.