Football Ongoing St. Louis vs the NFL Litigation Thread - Page 2

Rams Fan · 07-12-2021, 09:40 PM

So, as a TLDR warning, basically all these tweets are from today regarding rulings in St. Louis' lawsuit vs the NFL regarding the Rams relocation

Basically, the judge ruled heavily in the city's favor to continue moving forward in the legal process and it looks like this case will go to a jury trial at some point, meaning a bunch of dirty laundry concerning the league is about to be aired.

Tid-bit regarding the Chiefs is that it looks like Clark Hunt's financial information, as well as some other owners aside from Kroenke, will be shared with the city.

At STL City court...STL vs. NFL protective order to asess punitive damages. STL wants discovery of NFL assets, says the legal standard is straightforward.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL says NFL & Kroenke committed "willful or outrageous or reckless act vs. plaintiff rights."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL claims NFL kept discovery confidential. Email from Eric Gruman-"I'm trying to get some terrific L.A. opportunities to fruition under cover of darkness."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

In deposition, Goodell held relocation guidelines in his hand. Was asked "are these mandatory?" (to abide by) Replied "Counselor, it says right here, (they are).
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

2014 Email from Demoff to NFL says L.A. land story is coming out. League responds "what should we say." Demoff provides talking points that Goodell uses in Super Bowl press conference, denying he knows land purchase by Kroenke is for stadium.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Peacock e-mail to Demoff telling him about National Car Rental naming rights deal. Demoff responds with link to YouTube video that screams "F it, I'm out."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL has record of 2013 phone call with Kroenke, Goodell, Mara (Giants) and Rooney (Steelers). Kroenke says "I'm going to buy 2 parcels of land and build a stadium in L.A." Says we're trying very hard to stay under the radar screen and keep it hidden." Goodell: "We will respect
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Your confidentiality. "
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Other notes-NFL never intended to force Kroenke to negotiate in good faith.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Judge says he needs clear and convincing evidence that about 25 defendants operated in a fraudulent manner, and says he hasn't seen that. Says evidence is necessary to delve into individuals' finances.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL attorney says they received relocation money. That's all we need to know. It was said in owners meeting STL would be harmed."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

It was confirmed that the Arizona Cardinals voted against the Rams relocation. My sense is the Panthers were the other team that did.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Judge says preponderance of evidence exists against Mara, Kraft, Jones, Rooney...one other...for damages. Most NFL owners spared discovery of finances.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

2 other nuggets: Jerry Jones admitted he urged Kroenke to move. Day after relocation vote, Rams signed contract w/ Jones Legends corp to sell PSL's and luxury boxes.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

One quick correction: STL has the ability to investigate net worth of NFL, Goodell, Kroenke, Jones, Kraft, Mara, Richardson. They have 10 days to ask for right to investigate other owners. Apparently it's rare for a judge to rule from the bench, as he did for STL here.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

In today's more than 2-hour hearing that was not publicly docketed, Judge Chris McGraugh said St. Louis plaintiffs showed sufficient evidence to get financials from NFL, Kroenke, Rams, Commissioner Goodell and team owners Jones, Mara, Kraft and Richardson. Story TK @stltoday https://t.co/sDJG6LMNgV
— Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021

Correction. The judge did not list Goodell among those from whom St. Louis plaintiffs may get financial information. He mentioned Clark Hunt, owner of the KC Chiefs. @Ben_Fred https://t.co/bTnjbh9prn
— Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021

Rams Fan · 07-13-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

St. Loser gets ZERO sympathy and I hope they get laughed out of any and every court in America with their lame legal "arguments".

They got the rare second chance at an NFL team, they were gifted with a fluke Super Bowl with that second chance and they still blew it.

You realize the fan base/fan support literally had nothing to do with this, right?

It’s the fact that the city officials in the 90s gave the team the stupidest out clause ever. And the issue isn’t that the Rams relocated-it’s that they let taxpayer dollars-not only from the city but also the state-be spent on an effort to keep the Rams in St. Louis when the NFL didn’t even abide by their guidelines and continued to have city/state officials believe that the effort for a stadium could lead to the Rams staying, when there was a 0% chance of that happening.

I am not as emotionally attached to professional teams after this happened. It’s welfare for billionaires. Sports are entertaining but a business first.

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 12:51 PM

Clark Hunt, you're next !

https://twitter.com/joelcurrier/stat...14987998851073

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

You realize the fan base/fan support literally had nothing to do with this, right?

It’s the fact that the city officials in the 90s gave the team the stupidest out clause ever. And the issue isn’t that the Rams relocated-it’s that they let taxpayer dollars-not only from the city but also the state-be spent on an effort to keep the Rams in St. Louis when the NFL didn’t even abide by their guidelines and continued to have city/state officials believe that the effort for a stadium could lead to the Rams staying, when there was a 0% chance of that happening.

I am not as emotionally attached to professional teams after this happened. It’s welfare for billionaires. Sports are entertaining but a business first.

He's one of those insecure KCians we know all too well.

Their day is coming, because Arrowhead isn't a spring chicken. Could you imagine Kansas having not one but TWO sports franchises to KCMO's one ?

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

**** them. They don't deserve a team anyway.

The rest of America deserved to see a competitive Super Bowl during a pandemic, but alas.

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

St Louis is a shithole

then what is Kansas City ?

A place that don't have an adequate airport, public transportation, and the rest of the country considers it an extension of Kansas ?

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

St. Loser gets ZERO sympathy and I hope they get laughed out of any and every court in America with their lame legal "arguments".

They got the rare second chance at an NFL team, they were gifted with a fluke Super Bowl with that second chance and they still blew it.

You do realize the 49ers came close to shutting the door on KC, yes ? Hell Houston should've sent you packing in the first round.

Kiimo · 07-13-2021, 01:02 PM

lol at shitty fans from a city with no NFL coming here to talk shit. In two weeks camp starts and you all will be sitting around sucking your toes waiting for, I dunno, hockey news or something. I'm not sure

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The same St. Loser that tried to desperately prevent funding for construction of the Sprint/T-Mobile Center from being approved?

The same St. Loser whose state politicians regularly try to block any state funding allotments to go towards KC-area sporting facilities?

St. Loser deserved the Stan Kroenke treatment, it's karma.

Should've asked Kansas for assistance.

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

lol at shitty fans from a city with no NFL coming here to talk shit. In two weeks camp starts and you all will be sitting around sucking your toes waiting for, I dunno, hockey news or something. I'm not sure

There's an SEC team in the middle of the state that deserves attention.
College football is much better than the pile of shit that's called a professional league these days.

Kiimo · 07-13-2021, 01:05 PM

Keep posting more, you'll definitely convince us, St Louis trash

Kiimo · 07-13-2021, 01:06 PM

Imagine basing your dreams and hopes on the University of Missouri just lmao forever.

A good litmus test on if you should consider going sober is the belief that the ****ing TIGERS are better than an NFL team.

Stop mixing meth and moonshine

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Keep posting more, you'll definitely convince us, St Louis trash

Waaaaaah. The rest of the state don't care about us but at least we have an NFL team ! DERP

Matrix · 07-13-2021, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Imagine basing your dreams and hopes on the University of Missouri just lmao forever.

A good litmus test on if you should consider going sober is the belief that the ****ing TIGERS are better than an NFL team.

Stop mixing meth and moonshine

Kansas fan, I presume ?

It hasn't been a good 13 years for you on the gridiron.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-13-2021, 01:09 PM

LA football is an absolute embarrassment like many of us said before the move. Having 2 teams in that dump is criminal.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-13-2021, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

St Louis is a shithole

Yes it is, but so is KC

07-12-2021, 09:40 PM
Rams Fan Greatest QB Duo of 2015 Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $2381023	Ongoing St. Louis vs the NFL Litigation Thread So, as a TLDR warning, basically all these tweets are from today regarding rulings in St. Louis' lawsuit vs the NFL regarding the Rams relocation Basically, the judge ruled heavily in the city's favor to continue moving forward in the legal process and it looks like this case will go to a jury trial at some point, meaning a bunch of dirty laundry concerning the league is about to be aired. Tid-bit regarding the Chiefs is that it looks like Clark Hunt's financial information, as well as some other owners aside from Kroenke, will be shared with the city. At STL City court...STL vs. NFL protective order to asess punitive damages. STL wants discovery of NFL assets, says the legal standard is straightforward. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL says NFL & Kroenke committed "willful or outrageous or reckless act vs. plaintiff rights." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL claims NFL kept discovery confidential. Email from Eric Gruman-"I'm trying to get some terrific L.A. opportunities to fruition under cover of darkness." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 In deposition, Goodell held relocation guidelines in his hand. Was asked "are these mandatory?" (to abide by) Replied "Counselor, it says right here, (they are). — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 2014 Email from Demoff to NFL says L.A. land story is coming out. League responds "what should we say." Demoff provides talking points that Goodell uses in Super Bowl press conference, denying he knows land purchase by Kroenke is for stadium. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Peacock e-mail to Demoff telling him about National Car Rental naming rights deal. Demoff responds with link to YouTube video that screams "F it, I'm out." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL has record of 2013 phone call with Kroenke, Goodell, Mara (Giants) and Rooney (Steelers). Kroenke says "I'm going to buy 2 parcels of land and build a stadium in L.A." Says we're trying very hard to stay under the radar screen and keep it hidden." Goodell: "We will respect — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Your confidentiality. " — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Other notes-NFL never intended to force Kroenke to negotiate in good faith. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Judge says he needs clear and convincing evidence that about 25 defendants operated in a fraudulent manner, and says he hasn't seen that. Says evidence is necessary to delve into individuals' finances. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL attorney says they received relocation money. That's all we need to know. It was said in owners meeting STL would be harmed." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 It was confirmed that the Arizona Cardinals voted against the Rams relocation. My sense is the Panthers were the other team that did. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Judge says preponderance of evidence exists against Mara, Kraft, Jones, Rooney...one other...for damages. Most NFL owners spared discovery of finances. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 2 other nuggets: Jerry Jones admitted he urged Kroenke to move. Day after relocation vote, Rams signed contract w/ Jones Legends corp to sell PSL's and luxury boxes. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 One quick correction: STL has the ability to investigate net worth of NFL, Goodell, Kroenke, Jones, Kraft, Mara, Richardson. They have 10 days to ask for right to investigate other owners. Apparently it's rare for a judge to rule from the bench, as he did for STL here. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 In today's more than 2-hour hearing that was not publicly docketed, Judge Chris McGraugh said St. Louis plaintiffs showed sufficient evidence to get financials from NFL, Kroenke, Rams, Commissioner Goodell and team owners Jones, Mara, Kraft and Richardson. Story TK @stltoday https://t.co/sDJG6LMNgV — Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021 Correction. The judge did not list Goodell among those from whom St. Louis plaintiffs may get financial information. He mentioned Clark Hunt, owner of the KC Chiefs. @Ben_Fred https://t.co/bTnjbh9prn — Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021
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Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $3698742	lol at shitty fans from a city with no NFL coming here to talk shit. In two weeks camp starts and you all will be sitting around sucking your toes waiting for, I dunno, hockey news or something. I'm not sure
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