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Old 10-09-2012, 04:55 PM   #1
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:48 PM   #2
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If you had actually watched the games instead of looking at stats, you wouldn't be asking this question.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:57 PM   #3
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If you had actually watched the games instead of looking at stats, you wouldn't be asking this question.

This. I bitched at MC all of 2010 when we were winning and he had his "pro-bowl season".
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:34 PM   #4
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Pioli had plenty of options going into the season and let each one pass by. First off he said that there would be competition brought in and it was Brady Quinn, he of the career 3-9 record and 53% completions. He had the option to go after Manning and made a money offer before trying to sell him on the personnel here. He had the option to sign Flynn and never really considered that. Not sure it was a real option given that Flynn is probably a system QB. He had the option to keep Orton as competition and let that slide. He had options in the draft that he let pass by to get a project T/G tweener. I don't fault him for not going after RG3 as the price was much too high. Don't really fault him for not going after an unproved Tannehill.
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:44 PM   #5
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He should've been CUT after a season where he had 27 TDs and 7 INTs?

Here's another stiff who had 27-7 in his third year that maybe you would've cut:

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Old 10-09-2012, 04:44 PM   #6
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He should've been CUT after a season where he had 27 TDs and 7 INTs?

Here's another stiff who had 27-7 in his third year that maybe you would've cut:

2002 San Diego 16–16 526–320 3,284 .608 17 16 52 24–180 76.9
2003 San Diego 11–11 356–205 2,108 .576 11 15 68 21–178 67.5
2004 San Diego 15–15 400–262 3,159 .655 27 7 79 18–131 104.8



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you came here to compare cassel to drew brees?

what the **** is wrong with pats fans?

why can't you simply admit that pioli and cassel are gigantic failures?
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:46 PM   #7
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you came here to compare cassel to drew brees?

what the **** is wrong with pats fans?
No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.

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why can't you simply admit that pioli and cassel are gigantic failures?

Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
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No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.




Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
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No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.




Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
sanchez was obviously the right move, as 2 AFC championship games proves...he walked into your stadium and took a shit on your franchise

but feel free to compare his accomplishments to Cassel's...

and your comparison to brees is embarrassing...don't be that one dumb pats fan
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He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
Again: You cannot say Sanchez would have performed or developed the same on another team.

Certainly a more talented team at this point, for sure.

NY has no receivers or running game.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:07 PM   #11
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Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
Its the failure to give up like Phil said. Anyone that has watched Cassel preform that has a modicum of football IQ can tell this is not a guy that is a starting QB. Even Shannon Sharpe said this guy can't play.

But Pioli has forced out one head coach and will probably cost another head coach his job because they had no chance at all. Being stuck with Cassel is like having a 7 high hand in poker and going all in. Its demonstrably stupid.
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No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.




Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
There were plenty of people who weren't high on Cassel when he came here and never bought into him in 2010. It's a lot about mechanics and understanding what makes a QB good. Cassel was going to have to be Brady-good or Montana-good between the ears to make his lack of physical talent work. Those guys got it right away. It was just a low probability bet, and he should know better.
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He should've been CUT after a season where he had 27 TDs and 7 INTs?
Anyone suggesting that is a loony.

After 2011, competition should have brought in, though.

None was. Zero effort to fix what was obviously a position of weakness.

A terrible failure of general management.

Of course Pioli started it all when he gave Cassel 60 million for 0 reasons.
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Trade away the draft for RG3 last year. The trade for Cassel was fine, IMO...extending him before the season was the sin. Let him play out his franchise year. At least TRY.
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