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OCinBuffalo · 09-17-2012, 02:43 PM

Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions.

1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman....

But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired.

2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed)

However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks.

3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR.

Given that, and what I've read here over the last week...

1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing?

2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?)

3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN?

) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years?

The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped.

WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward.

Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much.

Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful?

Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.

DonTellMeShowMe · 09-17-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

This place is in full meltdown mode, not a good time to ask these questions

Dude no doubt. Wtf is the OP doing?

**Baby Lee** · 09-17-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The Patriot Way is a farce. Always has been. The Patriot Way is Tom Brady.

That's as stupid as slavishly saying 'patriots way only'

Brady didn't shut down the greatest show on turf

Brady didn't turn a WR into an all-pro DB on the fly

Brady didn't coach up one of the game's most clutch kickers in history.

Brady is a very nice cog in the patriots scheme, but the patriots have in a number of different ways done crucial things that others have proven unable to to gain the edge they've enjoyed.

**Bowser** · 09-17-2012, 03:00 PM

If I were a Bills fan, I'd be more concerned of my team thinking it was pretty good after beating down a shit**** team like the Chiefs.

TEX · 09-17-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Didn't the Pats go to the SB last year??? So what's all this "the Pats were good" nonsense???

Good job kicking our ass two years in a row. Enjoy your 2nd/3rd place finish in the AFCE.

Exactly. Don't think the Bills are good just because they beat KC. The Chiefs BLOW. Before the season, I picked the Bills to finish 3rd in the AFC East and I'm sticking to that.

Setsuna · 09-17-2012, 03:03 PM

Yall better draft a damn QB in the first round next year or yall will be ****ed. That or let Thiggy start and win a SB for ya.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-17-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DonTellMeShowMe

Dude no doubt. Wtf is the OP doing?

No clue. Nobody is in the mindset to deal with those questions.

I try to be as logical and realist as I can and I'm joining in. This shit is maddening and deserving of a classic CP meltdown.

Dayze · 09-17-2012, 03:05 PM

step away OP. you'll get radiation poisoning.
SAVE YOURSELF

Straight, No Chaser · 09-17-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OCinBuffalo

Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I...

That was a couple of questions?

**gblowfish** · 09-17-2012, 03:06 PM

Dear Bills Fan:

You know what "BILLS" stands for?

"Boy, I Love Losing Superbowls."

Go fist yourself.

And btw: SCOTT NORWOOD.

Have a quality day.

DonTellMeShowMe · 09-17-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

No clue. Nobody is in the mindset to deal with those questions.

I try to be as logical and realist as I can and I'm joining in. This shit is maddening and deserving of a classic CP meltdown.

No flame suit will be strong enough

L.A. Chieffan · 09-17-2012, 03:08 PM

Scott Norwood Bitch.

Now suck on an AIDS popsicle.

CoMoChief · 09-17-2012, 03:09 PM

The Patriots way works if you have a Tom Brady.

Now he was drafted in the 6th rd. I highly doubt that they were drafting him expecting him to take over the reigns after Bledsoe. (Maybe they were), but most teams draft starting QB's in the first round, or sign them as FA's. It's the most important position in all of team sports, and usually is the face of the franchise. So most teams are going to draft the best prospect, usually the most talented ones are in the 1st round.

Was Tom Brady the best prospect coming out of college that year? Hell no. Now there are busts just as there are homerun picks in the draft as we all know. Patriots just happened to strike gold with the Brady pick. What happens if Bledsoe doesn't get injured? Does he stay w/ the Pats for a couple/few more seasons? Do we never hear of Tom Brady again? Who knows?

Point is, they struck gold and ran w/ it, and were able to create a decade long dynasty where they've averaged a SB appearance almost every other year on average. The Patriots have been to 2 SB's since most of Parcells players left/retired, and have been to 1 SB after Pioli left. Bill Belechik is a hell of a coach, and combine that with a great QB, and chances are you're going to be consistently good for a long time unless your drafts absolutely suck. You can patch up bad drafts w/ good FA pickups, which the Patriots have done over the years.

Pioli has done neither while in KC.

ChiefsCountry · 09-17-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That's as stupid as slavishly saying 'patriots way only'

Brady didn't shut down the greatest show on turf

Brady didn't turn a WR into an all-pro DB on the fly

Brady didn't coach up one of the game's most clutch kickers in history.

Brady is a very nice cog in the patriots scheme, but the patriots have in a number of different ways done crucial things that others have proven unable to to gain the edge they've enjoyed.

Tampa Bay shut down the greatest show on turf before. Troy Brown was not an all-pro DB. Vinetari was a nice piece but they went to Super Bowls after he was gone. Tom Brady is #1 reason the Patriot Way works. His attitude and cockiness with his play is why it works. Bellichick is #2.

mr. tegu · 09-17-2012, 03:11 PM

A team that is 2 and 9 in their last 11 games dating back to last season doesn't get to say they aren't as bad as they look.

Straight, No Chaser · 09-17-2012, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Dear Bills Fan:

You know what "BILLS" stands for?

"Boy, I Love Losing Superbowls."

Go fist yourself.

And btw: SCOTT NORWOOD.

Have a quality day.

Beautiful man, beautiful.

09-17-2012, 02:43 PM
OCinBuffalo Starter Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $10004970	Serious, non-trolling, questions from a Bills fan Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions. 1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman.... But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired. 2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed) However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks. 3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR. Given that, and what I've read here over the last week... 1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing? 2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?) 3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN? ) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years? The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped. WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward. Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much. Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful? Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7972254	The Patriots way works if you have a Tom Brady. Now he was drafted in the 6th rd. I highly doubt that they were drafting him expecting him to take over the reigns after Bledsoe. (Maybe they were), but most teams draft starting QB's in the first round, or sign them as FA's. It's the most important position in all of team sports, and usually is the face of the franchise. So most teams are going to draft the best prospect, usually the most talented ones are in the 1st round. Was Tom Brady the best prospect coming out of college that year? Hell no. Now there are busts just as there are homerun picks in the draft as we all know. Patriots just happened to strike gold with the Brady pick. What happens if Bledsoe doesn't get injured? Does he stay w/ the Pats for a couple/few more seasons? Do we never hear of Tom Brady again? Who knows? Point is, they struck gold and ran w/ it, and were able to create a decade long dynasty where they've averaged a SB appearance almost every other year on average. The Patriots have been to 2 SB's since most of Parcells players left/retired, and have been to 1 SB after Pioli left. Bill Belechik is a hell of a coach, and combine that with a great QB, and chances are you're going to be consistently good for a long time unless your drafts absolutely suck. You can patch up bad drafts w/ good FA pickups, which the Patriots have done over the years. Pioli has done neither while in KC. __________________
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