Chiefs Late night bullshit: places I think the Chiefs must go in the draft. - Page 2

Direckshun · 04-05-2012, 09:31 PM

Just thinking out loud here, humor me.

KC has eight picks in the draft.

3 high rounders (tier 1)
2 midrounders (tier 2)
3 low-rounders (tier 3)

I think this team's worst need is two-fold: nose tackle and secondary depth.

This season, the Chiefs will face an incumbent Carson Palmer twice, Philip Rivers twice, Peyton Manning twice, Matt Ryan, two overall #1 picks of the past two years in Cam Newton and Andrew Luck, Ben Rothlessberger and Drew Brees. That is a brutal line of quarterbacks.

Which of course means two things: we could be facing these QBs for months with Travis Daniels as a starting corner if either Routt or Flowers go down (Arenas is pretty much a pure nickel corner). Not to mention our precarious safety situation, in which we only have Berry and Lewis, only two players with any reliability. I'd like much more talent here.

The Chiefs of course need to find themselves a nose. They need to find themselves depth across the front seven, particularly at OLB and DE.

And the Chiefs need depth along the offensive line, which right now stands only at David Mims and Darryl Harris.

So following my own arbitrarily restrictive guidelines, how might I arrange this draft?

The one indispensible one, I'd think, would be the nose, which would almost have to be selected in the first three rounds. DE is a tough position to invest in, so I think that'd have to be a high round pick, too.

Offensive line depth should require something like two picks, maybe some tackle depth in the midrounds and some interior OL depth in the late rounds.

So that commits our three tiers to something like this:

Tier 1 (3 picks): NT, DE, ???
Tier 2 (2 picks): OT, ???
Tier 3 (3 picks): OG, ???, ???

I know this is all based purely on need, which is not how you draft. But I'm just playing with an exercise here.

That means you have a pick still free in the first tier, one in the second tier, and two in the third tier.

Here's the thing, I think we should have one secondary selection in all three tiers.

I know that only leaves one spot open for passrusher, and it's in the third tier, but there are some pretty interesting developmental guys in the lowrounds this year as passrushers, and we've already got 5 passrushers under contract.

Just thinking out loud here.

1. DE Michael Brockers, LSU
2. NT Alameda Ta'amu, Washington
3. S Brandon Taylor, LSU
4. CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia
5. OT Brandon Mosley, Auburn
6. S Winston Guy, Jr., Kentucky
7. OLB Kyle Wilbur, Wake Forest
7. OG Austen Pasztor, Virginia

The team:

QB: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi
RB: Charles, Hillis, McCluster
FB: Bannon

WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Copper, McCluster
TE: Moeaki, Boss, Maneri

LT: Albert, Mosley
LG: Lilja, Harris
C: Hudson, Harris
RG: Asamoah, Pasztor
RT: Winston, Mosley

DE: Dorsey, Bailey
NT: Ta'amu, Gordon, Powe
DE: Jackson, Brockers, Gordon

OLB: Hali, Sheffield
ILB: Belcher, Siler
ILB: Johnson, Siler
OLB: Houston, Studebaker, Wilbur

CB: Flowers, Routt, Arenas, Daniels, Brown, Boykin
S: Berry, Lewis, Taylor, Guy

|Zach| · 04-06-2012, 01:38 AM

What is Gregg's status? Did he retire?

spanky 52 · 04-06-2012, 04:10 AM

Nothing to back this up but I think Gregg comes back for another year. I'll be happy if they draft Chapman but don't think he'll be ready to play this year. The Taylor pick is solid, there will be a run on safeties due to the lack of them in this year's draft. If we take Pioli at his word, the Chief's will go OL early. Our only depth is Harris who can't stay healthy and Mims who was an UDFA out of a Division 3 school last year. Where as you have us going DL with the first two picks, I see them taking OL with 1 & 2. We'll see.

**Easy 6** · 04-06-2012, 06:29 AM

Based on his ranking at NFL.com, i dont know that we'd have to use a second on Ta'amu, the only 3-4 team - the scheme he seems the best fit for - , ahead of us is buffalo & iirc they arent all that needy at NT.

Of course a 4-3 team like carolina or washington might take him, but i'm kinda guessing & hoping they wont, that he'll fall to us a bit.

He's definitely my favorite choice based on what i'm seeing & reading, i dont need an elite athlete there, just a big, red, immovable fire hydrant.

bsp4444 · 04-06-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

When you finish in last place and have the 11th pick in the draft and wind up with only a single year one starter and no QBOTF, you've had a bad draft.

There simply is no such thing as a last place team with no QB that is so talented that you shouldn't be able to draft more than 1 player who even projects to be a year one starter unless you grab a QB in the first round.

Because you lost three starters to injury last year. That's why you can afford to add depth and build for the future. You very well can add one starter and be a much better team, so lighten up.

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

When you finish in last place and have the 11th pick in the draft and wind up with only a single year one starter and no QBOTF, you've had a bad draft.

There simply is no such thing as a last place team with no QB that is so talented that you shouldn't be able to draft more than 1 player who even projects to be a year one starter unless you grab a QB in the first round.

Don't overreact.

The Chiefs finished last place in the AFC West by one game, against a tough schedule with their starting QB, franchise RB, TE, and safety all out.

We started Palko for a month, including two games over Kyle Orton.

Change any of these factors, and the Chiefs win the AFC West, and probably a few more games.

What did the Chiefs miss for a good part of last year?

A non-atrocious QB.
A threat at RB.
A right tackle.
Good safety play.
Talent at tight end.
Any non-Hali passrush.

All these problems have been fixed. Cassel's coming back, Charles is back, Winston is signed, Berry is back, Moeaki is back with Boss in the wings, and Houston finally caught on.

The only two real holes this team has is QB and NT.

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

ANOTHER DT from LSU in the 1st?

Seriously?

Considering he is a more 3-4 appropriate version of Glenn Dorsey, and we're letting Dorsey go after this year....

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Brockers is good, but he's a bit overkill for that position in my opinion. I will be disappointed if we draft him without trading down. I'd prefer just to pass on him altogether since he's not likely to make it past the first half of this draft.

A guy like Jared Crick with our 3rd rounder would be ideal. Extremely versatile line player who can push Dorsey and/or Jackson, which is really what we need. He's got a very high floor with the potential to start in the NFL for 10+ years.

Look at JJ Watt for the Texans and tell me that's not just what this Chiefs defensive line needs. Crick is totally that player.

Who're you interested in at #11 overall?

Or, let's say, the low teens?

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

Some people on here rate Ta'amu as the number one nose tackle in the draft. How does the number one nose tackle make it to our second rounder?

He may not.

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Originally Posted by scott free

Based on his ranking at NFL.com, i dont know that we'd have to use a second on Ta'amu, the only 3-4 team - the scheme he seems the best fit for - , ahead of us is buffalo & iirc they arent all that needy at NT.

Of course a 4-3 team like carolina or washington might take him, but i'm kinda guessing & hoping they wont, that he'll fall to us a bit.

He's definitely my favorite choice based on what i'm seeing & reading, i dont need an elite athlete there, just a big, red, immovable fire hydrant.

Buffalo's a 4-3 team.

The Colts are going with a two-gap 3-4, however. And they're going to need everything.

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Will Chapman even be ready for this season?

Should, yes.

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Originally Posted by |Zoccer|

What is Gregg's status? Did he retire?

He is currently a free agent, and Crennel will probably shop for him for another one-year deal if we don't draft a starter at the postion.

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky 52

Nothing to back this up but I think Gregg comes back for another year. I'll be happy if they draft Chapman but don't think he'll be ready to play this year. The Taylor pick is solid, there will be a run on safeties due to the lack of them in this year's draft. If we take Pioli at his word, the Chief's will go OL early. Our only depth is Harris who can't stay healthy and Mims who was an UDFA out of a Division 3 school last year. Where as you have us going DL with the first two picks, I see them taking OL with 1 & 2. We'll see.

Who would you take 1 & 2?

**the Talking Can** · 04-06-2012, 08:25 AM

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1. DE Michael Brockers, LSU
2. NT Alameda Ta'amu, Washington
3. S Brandon Taylor, LSU
4. CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia
5. OT Brandon Mosley, Auburn
6. S Winston Guy, Jr., Kentucky
7. OLB Kyle Wilbur, Wake Forest
7. OG Austen Pasztor, Virginia

I'm coming around on Brockers, which continues the off season trend of Pioli making me root for things I hate (RTs, drafting 3-4 DEs in the first)...the picks are D heavy, but the first 3 picks would set our defense up for awhile

I like Boykins, but he is even smaller than Arenas, no? Hell of a kick returner though

still hope we can trade down for a pick...what do people think about Crick (DE) in the 2nd/3rd versus a DE in the first? the guy sounds like a dorsey clone (run stuffer) at a discount price

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I'm coming around on Brockers, which continues the off season trend of Pioli making me root for things I hate (RTs, drafting 3-4 DEs in the first)...the picks are D heavy, but the first 3 picks would set our defense up for awhile

I like Boykins, but he is even smaller than Arenas, no? Hell of a kick returner though

still hope we can trade down for a pick...what do people think about Crick (DE) in the 2nd/3rd versus a DE in the first? the guy sounds like a dorsey clone (run stuffer) at a discount price

Crick gets a lot of love in the Draft forum.

**Saul Good** · 04-06-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Don't overreact.

The Chiefs finished last place in the AFC West by one game, against a tough schedule with their starting QB, franchise RB, TE, and safety all out.

We started Palko for a month, including two games over Kyle Orton.

Change any of these factors, and the Chiefs win the AFC West, and probably a few more games.

What did the Chiefs miss for a good part of last year?

A non-atrocious QB.
A threat at RB.
A right tackle.
Good safety play.
Talent at tight end.
Any non-Hali passrush.

All these problems have been fixed. Cassel's coming back, Charles is back, Winston is signed, Berry is back, Moeaki is back with Boss in the wings, and Houston finally caught on.

The only two real holes this team has is QB and NT.

Our interior OL was terrible. Hudson will take care of one of the two gaping holes. I really think we need a C. I know that Hudson can theoretically play there, but I'd like to see Lilja out of the starting lineup and a new C starting week one.

I'm all for drafting for depth, but this isn't a team that's got a lot of weapons. We're solid almost everywhere, but we really aren't great anywhere. We've got no QB, and we've got 1 guy who gets to the QB. Drafting for depth in the first round is a terrible idea when you've got the #11 pick.

Direckshun · 04-06-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Our interior OL was terrible. Hudson will take care of one of the two gaping holes. I really think we need a C. I know that Hudson can theoretically play there, but I'd like to see Lilja out of the starting lineup and a new C starting week one.

I'm all for drafting for depth, but this isn't a team that's got a lot of weapons. We're solid almost everywhere, but we really aren't great anywhere. We've got no QB, and we've got 1 guy who gets to the QB. Drafting for depth in the first round is a terrible idea when you've got the #11 pick.

Let's see your mock.

Brockers isn't a draft for depth. It's drafting a starter.

Chiefnj2 · 04-06-2012, 08:47 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...trankings/2012

One of the more in depth prospect rankings out there. Updated recently. What's interesting is that they have Ta'amu ranked in the 90s.

04-05-2012, 09:31 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	Late night bullshit: places I think the Chiefs must go in the draft. Just thinking out loud here, humor me. KC has eight picks in the draft. 3 high rounders (tier 1) 2 midrounders (tier 2) 3 low-rounders (tier 3) I think this team's worst need is two-fold: nose tackle and secondary depth. This season, the Chiefs will face an incumbent Carson Palmer twice, Philip Rivers twice, Peyton Manning twice, Matt Ryan, two overall #1 picks of the past two years in Cam Newton and Andrew Luck, Ben Rothlessberger and Drew Brees. That is a brutal line of quarterbacks. Which of course means two things: we could be facing these QBs for months with Travis Daniels as a starting corner if either Routt or Flowers go down (Arenas is pretty much a pure nickel corner). Not to mention our precarious safety situation, in which we only have Berry and Lewis, only two players with any reliability. I'd like much more talent here. The Chiefs of course need to find themselves a nose. They need to find themselves depth across the front seven, particularly at OLB and DE. And the Chiefs need depth along the offensive line, which right now stands only at David Mims and Darryl Harris. So following my own arbitrarily restrictive guidelines, how might I arrange this draft? The one indispensible one, I'd think, would be the nose, which would almost have to be selected in the first three rounds. DE is a tough position to invest in, so I think that'd have to be a high round pick, too. Offensive line depth should require something like two picks, maybe some tackle depth in the midrounds and some interior OL depth in the late rounds. So that commits our three tiers to something like this: Tier 1 (3 picks): NT, DE, ??? Tier 2 (2 picks): OT, ??? Tier 3 (3 picks): OG, ???, ??? I know this is all based purely on need, which is not how you draft. But I'm just playing with an exercise here. That means you have a pick still free in the first tier, one in the second tier, and two in the third tier. Here's the thing, I think we should have one secondary selection in all three tiers. I know that only leaves one spot open for passrusher, and it's in the third tier, but there are some pretty interesting developmental guys in the lowrounds this year as passrushers, and we've already got 5 passrushers under contract. Just thinking out loud here. 1. DE Michael Brockers, LSU 2. NT Alameda Ta'amu, Washington 3. S Brandon Taylor, LSU 4. CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia 5. OT Brandon Mosley, Auburn 6. S Winston Guy, Jr., Kentucky 7. OLB Kyle Wilbur, Wake Forest 7. OG Austen Pasztor, Virginia The team: QB: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi RB: Charles, Hillis, McCluster FB: Bannon WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Copper, McCluster TE: Moeaki, Boss, Maneri LT: Albert, Mosley LG: Lilja, Harris C: Hudson, Harris RG: Asamoah, Pasztor RT: Winston, Mosley DE: Dorsey, Bailey NT: Ta'amu, Gordon, Powe DE: Jackson, Brockers, Gordon OLB: Hali, Sheffield ILB: Belcher, Siler ILB: Johnson, Siler OLB: Houston, Studebaker, Wilbur CB: Flowers, Routt, Arenas, Daniels, Brown, Boykin S: Berry, Lewis, Taylor, Guy
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spanky 52 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $2315601	Nothing to back this up but I think Gregg comes back for another year. I'll be happy if they draft Chapman but don't think he'll be ready to play this year. The Taylor pick is solid, there will be a run on safeties due to the lack of them in this year's draft. If we take Pioli at his word, the Chief's will go OL early. Our only depth is Harris who can't stay healthy and Mims who was an UDFA out of a Division 3 school last year. Where as you have us going DL with the first two picks, I see them taking OL with 1 & 2. We'll see.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3407775	Based on his ranking at NFL.com, i dont know that we'd have to use a second on Ta'amu, the only 3-4 team - the scheme he seems the best fit for - , ahead of us is buffalo & iirc they arent all that needy at NT. Of course a 4-3 team like carolina or washington might take him, but i'm kinda guessing & hoping they wont, that he'll fall to us a bit. He's definitely my favorite choice based on what i'm seeing & reading, i dont need an elite athlete there, just a big, red, immovable fire hydrant.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7813688	http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...trankings/2012 One of the more in depth prospect rankings out there. Updated recently. What's interesting is that they have Ta'amu ranked in the 90s. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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