Christmas Eve Mock

[BryanBusby]

There is no and/or. It's Corner and I think that's it.

Scandrick and Nelson are FA's in the Spring. No way is Nelson worth the contract he'll get and Scandrick needs to just go.

Fuller needs to stay inside, so they need to find 2 starting corners. If you're not going to make Corner your number one pick than well enjoy seeing teams pass allover again.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

There is no and/or. It's Corner and I think that's it.

Scandrick and Nelson are FA's in the Spring. No way is Nelson worth the contract he'll get and Scandrick needs to just go.

Fuller needs to stay inside, so they need to find 2 starting corners. If you're not going to make Corner your number one pick than well enjoy seeing teams pass allover again.

Well perhaps but who is to say that they won’t sign a couple of corners who can start as insurance? There is zero chance Veach enters the draft knowing that he HAS to get 2 corners. It’s not his style.

I think he loves to have flexibility and options. I want a corner in the first two days of the draft, maybe multiple. But I don’t expect the depth to be near as thin come draft day as it is currently.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

There is no and/or. It's Corner and I think that's it.

Scandrick and Nelson are FA's in the Spring. No way is Nelson worth the contract he'll get and Scandrick needs to just go.

Fuller needs to stay inside, so they need to find 2 starting corners. If you're not going to make Corner your number one pick than well enjoy seeing teams pass allover again.

Yeah I agree. It’s a passing league.

I like Fuller, but we need a bigger corner to be able to battle real WR’s. It was pitiful seeing Nelson get his shit kicked in by Mike Williams over and over.

I think you can find an ILB after the first rd. I’d look for a player with the measurables.

6’3”, around 240, 40 time in the 4.6 range and a 3 cone below 7 (ideally).

Lot of quality ILB’s that are in that range that were picked after round 1. Zach Cunningham, Alex Anzalone, Gerard Avery.

But yeah I think CB is where we need to start.

[Chief Northman]

If you can nab one of White or Wilson at LB, you are talking Kuechly/Jaylon Smith type talent. You build defenses around these guys.

Greedy Williams and Byron Murphy will be long gone and are really the only two elite corners in this draft, with maybe an undersized Kris Boyd getting consideration. After that you can get good to great corners, but not “elite” players like the two linebackers.

[ntexascardfan]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

If you can nab one of White or Wilson at LB, you are talking Kuechly/Jaylon Smith type talent. You build defenses around these guys.

Greedy Williams and Byron Murphy will be long gone and are really the only two elite corners in this draft, with maybe an undersized Kris Boyd getting consideration. After that you can get good to great corners, but not “elite” players like the two linebackers.

We can probably get Boyd on day three. Scouts aren't particularly in love with his game atm. I'm a Longhorn fan and have watched every game this season, he hasn't held up well against elite WR competition in the Big XII. Here is what an agent said about him a few weeks back.

"It is "idiotic" that CB Kris Boyd has been invited to the Senior Bowl, but, has yet to accept the invitation. This agent is not going after Boyd (did not specify why), but has done work on him and says that he is not a player with high enough draft stock to forego such an opportunity. He said that maybe he already has an agent in mind to sign with who is giving him awful advice, or maybe he is just waiting to sign with an agent before officially accepting the offer, so as not commit to anything he'll have to back out of later.

The fact is, though, he is not seen as an elite prospect at this time and could really help himself with a good week in Mobile. He needs to accept the invitation before new Senior Bowl director Jim Nagy gives his spot to someone else. Boyd should feel like he has a lot to prove after a very disappointing end to his senior season at Texas based on bad individual performances in high-visibility matchups. Here's hoping he accepts the offer any day now, and will be joining teammate Charles Omenihu for the showcase of a lifetime in front of literally every important NFL decision-maker."

[Chris Meck]

with 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, I really want to keep them all.

[kccrow]

You might be able to get Bouye from the Jags for a 2nd and something else, similar to the Peters deal, but I can't fathom any reason they'd let Ramsey go while he's still on his rookie deal.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You might be able to get Bouye from the Jags for a 2nd and something else, similar to the Peters deal, but I can't fathom any reason they'd let Ramsey go while he's still on his rookie deal.

If they aren't going to sign Ramsey to a long term deal and he's a headache, same as the Peters situation.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they aren't going to sign Ramsey to a long term deal and he's a headache, same as the Peters situation.

True, but I have no indication that he's a headache. Peters was and is an obvious problem child and it was no secret to anyone throughout his career in college and the pros that he was an issue for coaches. I haven't heard the same about Ramsey. Ramsey runs his mouth a lot, taunting other players, but I haven't heard rumblings about issues with coaches or teammates. I'd sure appreciate being pointed to anything stating that he is if it exists.

[The Franchise]

I'd definitely flip a 2nd for Bouye.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

A Bouye trade is a wet dream for me right now. I don’t think they’re getting rid of Ramsey so I’m not even thinking about that yet.

But Bouye is ****ing legit and could come in here and pair with Fuller to make a very reliable duo. Then I’d draft a kid too.

Idk, it’s easy to say that we just have to make good picks to get better and stay good, and that’s true, but this is yet another year that KC will be picking toward the end of each round. It’s tough as **** to find blue chippers when you aren’t in the top 10-15. Even top 5 usually.

Veach needs a great draft this year one way or another but I still think the 2018 class has major upside given the picks he had to work with. I hear Dorsey get tons of credit nowadays for picks like Ford and even Fisher considering the weakness of the class, but those guys both looked like total busts for a good while. So I think it’s really unfair when people write off some of the 2018 class as finished products.

Now no GM will ever be perfect, but we know for a fact that Veach has a great scouting track record and he was going to be a future GM for a team eventually, whether in KC or somewhere else, just like Ballard. The guy had heart eyes for Mahomes, Fletcher Cox, D-Jax, Shady McCoy, and probably many others that I’m either forgetting or we just haven’t heard about... so I’ve got confidence that he’s going to get this thing going in the right direction fast with some solid moves, especially if we can turn over the defensive coaching staff.

[kccrow]

The more I look at Jacksonville's cap situation, the less and less I think a good player of value to the Chiefs will be on the market. They are only about $100k over the cap. Here's what I see:

Jacksonville tradeable/cuttable players to free up space.

QB (27) Blake Bortles 4.50 (16.50 dead)
73.5% plays, 12 g, 60.8% comp 2,611 yds, 13 td, 10 int, 54 car, 350 yds, 1 td
CB (27) A.J. Bouye 9.50 (6.00 dead)
87.4% plays, 13 g, 54 tkl, 1 int, 8 pd
DT (28) Malik Jackson 11.00 (4.00 dead)
63.5% plays, 15 g, 28 tkl, 2 sk, 10 QB hits, 6 tfl
DE (32) Calais Campbell 9.50 (5.00 Dead)
79.8% plays, 15 g, 65 tkl, 9 sk, 20 qb hits, 19 tfl
DT (28) Marcell Dareus 10.58 (0.00 dead)
54.9% plays, 14 g, 31 tkl, 1 sk, 2 qb hits, 2 tfl
S (28) Tashaun Gibson 7.45 (1.60 dead)
98.1% plays, 15 g, 53 tkl, 1 int, 7 pd
TE (26) Austin Seferian-Jenkins 4.75 (1.85 dead)
22.3% plays, 5 g, 11 rec, 90 yds, 1 td
RT (32) Jeremy Parnell 6.00 (0.00 dead)
87.5% plays, 13 g
OC (26) Brandon Linder 6.00 (0.00 dead) signed through 2022
51.2% plays, 9 g
RB (27) Carlos Hyde 4.75 (0.00 dead)
33.6% plays, 13 g, 162 car, 558 yds, 5 td, 8 rec, 27 yds
DT (27) Abry Jones 4.00 (0.00 dead)
47.4% plays, 14 g, 23 tkl, 1 sk, 2 qb hits, 5 tfl
OLB (28) Lerentee McCray 2.25 (0.62 dead)
9.8% plays (60.5% st), 12 g, 7 tkl, 1 sk, 2 qb hits, 1 tfl
S (29) Cody Davis 1.75 (0.87 dead)
3.2% plays (79.3% st), 15 g, 8 tkl


I look at this list and I think they do the following cuts:

RB Carlos Hyde - they really don't need him and he's mostly a backup runner. Even they Yeldon is a FA in 2019, they should retool the stable for less money behind Fournette.
TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins - Hasn't proven to be starting caliber and is always hurt. I think this one is a guarantee.
DT Marcell Dareus - They pretty much have to let one of their 3 high-priced lineman go. Abry Jones is much cheaper and just as effective and getting another NT on the cheap is easy. They drafted Taven Bryan in round 1 last year so Malik could be sent packing, but I don't see them giving up the player with more dead money.
That frees up 20.08m with 1.85 dead. That puts them approximately 19.98 under the cap, which is plenty of space to sign their draft class and sign a couple free agents.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alright Crow, tell me what you see with KC in the future with the cap based on kinda what you just did for Jacksonville there.

I peeked at the cap numbers, and it looks to me like there aren’t many moveable contracts at all for 2019 on the roster that would save much cap space at all. However, it looks like a ton of big contracts become expendable once 2020 rolls around where KC could see some serious cap space open up with just a few cuts/trades. And won’t that be right on cue with Hill and Jones set to break the bank just before Mahomes does as well.

I haven’t looked too deeply but it appears to me that even though we aren’t absolutely flush with 2019 cap space, we are still in great position to make a big addition or two this offseason because of how much money can be created with 2020 releases.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Alright Crow, tell me what you see with KC in the future with the cap based on kinda what you just did for Jacksonville there.

I peeked at the cap numbers, and it looks to me like there aren’t many moveable contracts at all for 2019 on the roster that would save much cap space at all. However, it looks like a ton of big contracts become expendable once 2020 rolls around where KC could see some serious cap space open up with just a few cuts/trades. And won’t that be right on cue with Hill and Jones set to break the bank just before Mahomes does as well.

I haven’t looked too deeply but it appears to me that even though we aren’t absolutely flush with 2019 cap space, we are still in great position to make a big addition or two this offseason because of how much money can be created with 2020 releases.

Nothing to note that probably hasn't been hashed out:
2019
OLB J. Houston 14.00 (7.10 dead) OR 17.50 (3.55 dead) as June 1
SS E. Berry 1.55 (14.95 dead) OR 7.55 (8.95 dead) as June 1
OT M. Schwartz 5.20 (2.80 dead)
SS D. Sorensen 2.69 (2.00 dead)
DT X. Williams 2.56 (0.87 dead)
LB R. Ragland 1.25 (0.00 dead)

2020
WR S. Watkins 14.00 (7.00 dead) OR 17.50 (3.50 dead) as June 1
LB J. Houston 17.50 (1.50 dead)
SS E. Berry 5.50 (8.00 dead) OR 9.50 (4.00 dead) as June 1
OT E. Fisher 9.50 (2.55 dead)
OT M. Schwartz 6.60 (1.40 dead)
TE T. Kelce 6.53 (3.94 dead)
SS D. Sorensen 3.75 (1.00 dead)
OT C. Erving 3.25 (1.43 dead)
DE T. Kpassagnon 1.05 (0.32 dead)
OG L. Duvernay-Tardif 5.00 (4.00 dead)

Edit: It's not at all advantageous to cut Watkins in 2019 because he has $8.2 of his salary guaranteed. I mean you'd have cut him as a June 1 just to have 15.2 in dead money to save 3.9 million and still be on the hook for 7.0 dead in 2020.

[kccrow]

To add pugs... It doesn't really matter which year you ditch Houston all that much. If he's tradeable, trade him is my opinion there. You can't really trade Berry and I'm not sure anyone would trade for him. If you want to get rid of him, it's pretty much a June 1 cut.

Sorenson, Williams, and Ragland are all easy cuts if you want to get rid of them. Hell, Sorenson isn't a bad cut as a June 1 either.

You're not cutting Schwartz, Fisher, Kelce, or Tardif but I listed them here anyhow just in case. Tardif isn't even a realistic trade option given the cap implications, despite Direkshun's insistence that we do so. You're basically eating 8 million in space in 2019 with 0 space gained just to gain a draft pick. It's silly.

If the Chiefs do anything in 2019 with contracts, Watkins is pretty much a must cut. I could see him getting a June 1 designation next year. If Kpass is still a bust, he could get his walking papers too. If nothing happens with Houston or Berry in 2019, it just becomes more advantageous in 2020. Not alot of excitement.