Based on previous history, why would anyone have believed CP? - Page 2

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 04:52 PM

I'm seeing an awful lot of disappointment and anger but I have to ask based on his multiple five year plans and history in KC why would ANYONE get their hopes up that he would deliver on a promise or keep his word?

I'm sorry to see so many unhappy folks but you have to admit if you believed Carl Peterson then you set yourself up for some MAJOR disappointment. And there is no reason to believe it will be any different in the future as long as he's here.

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

This is effing bad enough without Duhnise piling on.

No, I'm not piling on.

I'm trying to point out that they do not have to have faith in the GM in order to have faith in the team. The GM is merely a bureaucrat azzhole who has probably done more to ruin the team than not.

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

You're right Dense. I'm gonna go follow the Raiders for a while. Does it help?

No. Their defense is going to suck too.

Eleazar · 03-07-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

No, I'm not piling on.

I'm trying to point out that they do not have to have faith in the GM in order to have faith in the team. The GM is merely a bureaucrat azzhole who has probably done more to ruin the team than not.

Why do you care, you ran out on your team years ago anyway.

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ill always respect CP for rebuilding the franchise in the early 90's. Ill never forget it. But its time to give him his walking papers his time has past. This franchise will be just fine financially and season ticket wise even if he leaves. Nobody goes to the games because of anything CP does anymore. They go because he made us love the team again.

And, I'm not so certain it was HE who made the city love the team again. Yes, he gets the credit but seriously he had a good coach and some business savvy and this is a small market...

it's not like he was walking on water or anything.

tk13 · 03-07-2005, 05:12 PM

I don't know... I think Carl has delivered on most of his promises... he went after FA's quickly in 2003, they didn't turn out to be great FA's, but he got it done. In 2004 he said he was going to re-sign his own guys, and he did. So far he hasn't delivered this offseason... I don't think that's ever been his problem though, Carl executes his plans and "delivers" just fine, those plans are just never good enough to put this team over the top.

tk13 · 03-07-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

And, I'm not so certain it was HE who made the city love the team again.

I don't know... he drafted Derrick Thomas didn't he....

Dr. Johnny Fever · 03-07-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

No, I'm not piling on.

I'm trying to point out that they do not have to have faith in the GM in order to have faith in the team. The GM is merely a bureaucrat azzhole who has probably done more to ruin the team than not.

In case you're not sure how it works...the GM has to sign the players that are good enough to win...to give the fans faith in the team. We have no faith in our current defense.... nor do we now in Carl.

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't know... he drafted Derrick Thomas didn't he....

yes, and Tony Gonzalez. But I said the past five years meaning this century.

tk13 · 03-07-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

yes, and Tony Gonzalez. But I said the past five years meaning this century.

What? That has nothing to do with my comment or the comment I was responding to. We were talking about the re-birth of the team in the 90's, and that was directly related to Derrick Thomas...

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wee Todd

In case you're not sure how it works...the GM has to sign the players that are good enough to win...to give the fans faith in the team. We have no faith in our current defense.... nor do we now in Carl.

Actually, I think a majority of fans lost faith in CP a LONG time ago. That is why it is still jarring to see as many people as we do actually believe that he'll do something meaningful to change...

old dogs, new tricks. You know that saying.

Spott · 03-07-2005, 05:17 PM

I hate to say it, but Denise is totally right on this one. Once a cheap bastard, always a cheap bastard. I think if there was any year that Carl would have changed his ways, it would have been this year, especially with the shitty defense we've had the last few years and all the defensive FA's that could have made an impact on this team. I guess there's always the draft, although our 1st round pick probably won't sign until about week 4 of the regular season.

**Donger** · 03-07-2005, 05:18 PM

Nice to see that Denise is consistent with her vulture-like behavior.

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

What? That has nothing to do with my comment or the comment I was responding to. We were talking about the re-birth of the team in the 90's, and that was directly related to Derrick Thomas...

Oh sorry.

Well, DT was a big part of that defensive legacy but so too was Neil Smith and it seems that one of geneous Carl's moves was to let that part of that tandem go...

that being one of his cudda, wudda, shudda kept a player moves.

tk13 · 03-07-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Oh sorry.

Well, DT was a big part of that defensive legacy but so too was Neil Smith and it seems that one of geneous Carl's moves was to let that part of that tandem go...

that being one of his cudda, wudda, shudda kept a player moves.

We were still a championship-caliber franchise without Neil Smith. We have not been since we've lost DT.

memyselfI · 03-07-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

We were still a championship-caliber franchise without Neil Smith. We have not been since we've lost DT.

But, I am one that believed that Neil Smith was DT's alter ego and without him DT was NOT the same player for long. I remember there was talk of him getting cut the year or so before he died...unheard of when the two were feeding off of each other.

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memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	Based on previous history, why would anyone have believed CP? I'm seeing an awful lot of disappointment and anger but I have to ask based on his multiple five year plans and history in KC why would ANYONE get their hopes up that he would deliver on a promise or keep his word? I'm sorry to see so many unhappy folks but you have to admit if you believed Carl Peterson then you set yourself up for some MAJOR disappointment. And there is no reason to believe it will be any different in the future as long as he's here.
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03-07-2005, 05:12 PM	#20
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1462500	I don't know... I think Carl has delivered on most of his promises... he went after FA's quickly in 2003, they didn't turn out to be great FA's, but he got it done. In 2004 he said he was going to re-sign his own guys, and he did. So far he hasn't delivered this offseason... I don't think that's ever been his problem though, Carl executes his plans and "delivers" just fine, those plans are just never good enough to put this team over the top.
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03-07-2005, 05:17 PM	#26
Spott Court Jester Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando Casino cash: $2542400	I hate to say it, but Denise is totally right on this one. Once a cheap bastard, always a cheap bastard. I think if there was any year that Carl would have changed his ways, it would have been this year, especially with the shitty defense we've had the last few years and all the defensive FA's that could have made an impact on this team. I guess there's always the draft, although our 1st round pick probably won't sign until about week 4 of the regular season.
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Donger "Think BOOM!" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W Casino cash: $9829900 VARSITY	Nice to see that Denise is consistent with her vulture-like behavior. __________________ I think the young people enjoy it when I "get down," verbally, don't you?
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