Keitzman is hammering CP on 810 - Page 2

**The Bad Guy** · 04-20-2005, 04:25 PM

This is great radio.

He just stated a fact. Carl has drafted 3 pro bowl players on defense since he took over.

Jerome Woods, Derrick Thomas and Dale Carter are the only 3 players he has drafted on defense.

That is unbelievable. Woods got it on a sympathy vote too.

If you have time, tune in. He makes a lot of great points whether you hate him or not.

He just played clips that Carl stated he never received one ounce of negative criticism from fans. He also said that the 72,000 season ticket holders are the "real" fans.

The more I hear CP talk, the more I wish he would just vanish off the face of the earth.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-20-2005, 05:03 PM

If Carl has any balls he'll pull the trigger on a DJ trade up trade down their 2nd round pick pick up a 2nd and 3rd use the 3rd for Surtain and the 2nd for DJ plus a 5th for the #9-#11 spot

**The Bad Guy** · 04-20-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If Carl has any balls he'll pull the trigger on a DJ trade up trade down their 2nd round pick pick up a 2nd and 3rd use the 3rd for Surtain and the 2nd for DJ plus a 5th for the #9-#11 spot

Yeah, like that would ever happen.

How in the hell would he trade up to get DJ, and then keep a 2nd rounder to trade down with in the first place?

KevB · 04-20-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Until Keitzman produces stats of what other NFL teams have done (offensively and defensively) in the same time span, then I really could care less.

How many Pro Bowl D players have the Cardinals drafted, etc....

And when did the "Pro Bowl" become the definition of a quality football player?

Do you really want to use the Cardinals as the benchmark for our Chiefs?

And to use one of our rivals as an example:

Broncos since 1989 - Atwater, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Tory James, Deltha O'Neal and John Mobley. I would also take DJ Williams over any LB we have on our roster today.

jcroft · 04-20-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If Carl has any balls...

You've been here long enough to make over 2000 posts (under this screename, anyway) and you still think it's possible Carl has any balls?

Hoover · 04-20-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Beating up Peterson at some point has to feel like beating up on the short, fat kid...Way too easy of a target.

Why do you have to bring me into this?

TRR · 04-20-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Do you really want to use the Cardinals as the benchmark for our Chiefs?

And to use one of our rivals as an example:

Broncos since 1989 - Atwater, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Tory James, Deltha O'Neal and John Mobley. I would also take DJ Williams over any LB we have on our roster today.

The Cardinals were used as an example, not a benchmark. And how many Pro Bowlers on offense have the Broncos drafted in the same time frame? If you averaged it out, I believe every team (offensively and defensively) would have similiar numbers as far as drafting Pro Bowlers.

With the way FA is, the draft plays less and less of a role every year.

And again, when did an invitation to the Pro Bowl start equaling exceptional talent? Look at Tory James and Deltha O"Neal for 2 perfect examples.

Chief Henry · 04-20-2005, 05:16 PM

[QUOTE=TRR]
How many Pro Bowl D players have the Cardinals drafted, etc....

QUOTE]

This SUCKS, now we are being compared to the

Arizona Cardinals. Look how fricken low this franchise has become...

**CosmicPal** · 04-20-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Deltha O'Neal

Not a good example. The guy was worse than Bartee and the Broncs couldn't wait to get rid of him.

TRR · 04-20-2005, 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=Chief Henry]

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Originally Posted by TRR

How many Pro Bowl D players have the Cardinals drafted, etc....

QUOTE]

This SUCKS, now we are being compared to the

Arizona Cardinals. Look how fricken low this franchise has become...

Never compared KC with the Cardinals.

04-20-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal

Not a good example. The guy was worse than Bartee and the Broncs couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Well, he did make a pro-bowl courtesy of Trent Green.

FWIW, Gary Stills has made a Pro-Bowl, too.

04-20-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Never compared KC with the Cardinals.

I have. The Cardinals won a playoff game 5 years ago. Where does that leave the Chiefs?

Hoover · 04-20-2005, 05:23 PM

Its not about Pro Bowls, its about defensive rankings. And the Chiefs have sucked on that side of the ball since 2000.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-20-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

You've been here long enough to make over 2000 posts (under this screename, anyway) and you still think it's possible Carl has any balls?

It's was a rhetorical remark

jcroft · 04-20-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It's was a rhetorical remark

You've been here long enough to make over 2000 posts (on this screenname, anyway), and you still think there's such a thing as "rhetorical" at ChiefsPlanet?

tk13 · 04-20-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

With the way FA is, the draft plays less and less of a role every year.

I don't agree with that. Free agency is a tool that should be used to make a few moves to put a team over the top that has drafted well. If you look at the Pats, Eagles, Colts, etc... that's how successful teams do it. Sometimes I think the Chiefs are lucky to be as good as they are, because we just don't draft well at all. You look at these top playoff teams year in and year out, and the Pats draft extremely well as we know, the Colts drafted a slew of offensive studs and Freeney, the Falcons drafted guys like Vick and Kerney and Brooking and Crumpler, the Eagles drafted McNabb and maybe the best secondary in the game, the Steelers drafted Roethlisberger last year, to go along with guys like Hines Ward and several defensive players... we don't compare to any of those teams. We drafted Will Shields ages ago, Tony Gonzalez, Dante Hall, a couple safeties who fell off the earth last year, Warfield, Larry Johnson and Jared Allen. Is that it? I don't know, just doesn't seem like we're in the same league draft-wise with those other teams.

04-20-2005, 04:25 PM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	Keitzman is hammering CP on 810 This is great radio. He just stated a fact. Carl has drafted 3 pro bowl players on defense since he took over. Jerome Woods, Derrick Thomas and Dale Carter are the only 3 players he has drafted on defense. That is unbelievable. Woods got it on a sympathy vote too. If you have time, tune in. He makes a lot of great points whether you hate him or not. He just played clips that Carl stated he never received one ounce of negative criticism from fans. He also said that the 72,000 season ticket holders are the "real" fans. The more I hear CP talk, the more I wish he would just vanish off the face of the earth.
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04-20-2005, 05:03 PM	#16
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