My 2006 Mock Fixes the Defense - Page 2

Mr. Kotter · 10:03 AM

The 2006 NFL Draft is here--finally. Next weekend, the Chiefs will launch the Herman Edwards era with, perhaps, the most important draft they have faced in several years. Every draft is important, but with an aging squad the Chief’s choices next weekend could be the difference between a long rebuilding process and a quick reloading and turn-around.

The Chiefs needs appear to be pretty clear: defensive line, defensive backfield, and wide receiver are the priorities, while depth on the offensive line and Quarterback-of-the-future (QBOTF) should also bear careful consideration. As they send several veterans to their retirements in the next year or two, there are replacements to be groomed in addition to the obvious upgrades they need at several positions.

The future direction of this franchise may very well be determined by the draft choices the Chiefs make next weekend. Edwards has a reputation for being a good judge of talent and had a couple of impressive drafts while head coach of the Jets. Ideally, the Chiefs would like to draft three solid defensive players on the first day. However, the lack of depth in this draft may mean they only get two players who can make contributions early in their careers. The Edwards Era in Chief history would get a major lift with a good draft. Here is hoping it’s a good one!

My two cents if I were in the war room, as if Herm or any of you really care…

My 2006 Mock Draft in brief:
1. Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
1.a. ALTERNATE PLAN: (Based on Availability: Antonio Cromartie or Ty Hill, if you insist on a CB)
2. Darnell Bing, S USC
3. Dusty Dvorcek, DT Oklahoma
3b. TRADE-DOWN compensation: Jason Avant, WR Michigan
5. Rashad Butler, OT Miami-FL
6. Rashaan Powers-Neal FB Notre Dame
7. Brad Smith, QB Missouri

Day One:

First Round:
TRADE DOWN (unless Bunkley or Ngata fall)

Tamba Hali, DE (Penn State) Hali is a fierce, high motor threat to rush the QB. He’s a bit undersized, but tough against the run. A poor man’s Dwight Freeney? (Back-up plan: Kamerion Wimbley)

OR, Antonio Cromartie or Ty Hill (Based on Availability: if you insist on a CB...but then you lose Avant, whom I really, really like despite the concerns of some about his speed.)

By trading down in the first round with the Giants, Bears, or Panthers, the Chiefs should be able to acquire a third or fourth round draft pick. That would recoup the draft pick they lost in signing Edwards.

If either Cromartie or Huff are still available when the Chiefs pick at 20, they would be hard for the Chiefs to pass on—and if they are available the Chiefs should grab them. If they can trade down for Ty Hill, I'd be okay with that too. I'm not confident in either of those scenarios, though. However, there should be good value at S and CB in the second round. The thinking here is to wait until the second round to fill a slot in the defensive backfield (maybe even wait until the third, hoping for Cedric Griffin, DeMario Minter, or Alan Zemaitis)

Other possible first round picks: Kamerion Wimbley (DE, FSU) Ty Hill (CB, Clemson), Jonathon Joseph (CB, Virginia Tech), Jason Allen (S, Tennessee), or Richard Marshall (CB, Fresno State.)

2nd Round:
54. Darnell Bing, S (USC) Bing is an instinctive, tough, and hard-hitting head-hunter. Though he is not as fast as some other safeties, he’s an experienced playmaker. A young Sammy Knight? (Backup plan: Pat Watkins)

Huff, Allen, and Whitner will be gone. Is Bing fast enough to play FS for a while? Maybe. But he could end up at SS, or even OLB. Bullocks might be available, and is faster. My gut says Bing will have a better NFL career.

Other possible second round picks: Mathias Kiwanuka (DE, Boston College) or Ko Simpson (S, South Carolina) could fall; otherwise Rodrique Wright (DT, Texas) or John McCargo (DT, Virginia Tech) should be able to step in at DT. I’ve also grown fond of Pat Watkins (CB/FS, FSU), Roman Harper (S, Alabama), or Daryl Tapp (DE, Virginia Tech).

Third Round:
85. Dusty Dvoracek, (DT, Oklahoma) Instinctive and intense football player, with a motor that never stops. In a word, tenacious. He’s had off-field issues, but he’s an on-field presence our D could use. (Back-up plan: Jonathon Lewis)

Unless Wright, Lewis, Wroten, or McCargo fall, Dvoracek is an easy choice here if the Chiefs are serious about fixing their defensive line. Dvorcek, alongside Hali and Jared Allen, could transform a weakness into a strength, and one of the best young defensive lines in the league.

3rd Round pick, from first round “trade-down:”

Jason Avant, (WR Michigan) A big, athletic, and polished WR who would be a good compliment to Sami Parker, as a possession receiver. (Back-up plan: Devin Aramashodo)

Other possible third round picks: Jonathan Scott (OT, Texas), Greg Lee (WR, Pittsburg), Hank Baskett (WR, New Mexico), Guy Whimper (OT, E. Carolina), Mark Setterstrom (OG, Minnesota).

Day Two:

Fifth Round:
Rashad Butler, (OT, Miami-FL) A great athlete who is quick and has great footwork. Explosive for his size. A project. Needs to add some weight, but can become an LT in the NFL. A Skinny Willie Roaf? (Back-up plan, Whimper, or Setterstrom—if they drop; as OL prospects do)

If Svitek, Sampson, Black, or Parquet don’t work out, here’s our next offensive linemen experiment.

Sixth Round:
Rashaan Powers-Neal, (FB, Notre Dame) Versatile athlete who can run and catch, but he is also a good blocker. TRich’s heir apparent?

Versatility is the key for FBs in the NFL today. And this kid is already a decent blocker on top of it.

Seventh Round:
Brad Smith, (QB, Missouri) A project and potential back-up QB? If nothing else, maybe he becomes an Antwan Randle-El type player for the Chiefs...

FLAME AWAY......heh

phxchief · 04-21-2006, 08:17 AM

No corner.... at all?

Mr. Kotter · 04-21-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The only way those 2 first picks happen is if we trade down in the first and trade up in the 2nd...

That was my original thought....but Bing's "speed" seems to have dropped him to the 5th-6th rated Safety, in the minds of many. I'm seeing boards where both he and Simpson are dropping into the latter part of the second round.

Personally, I'd be happy with Wright in the second, and Watkins in the third....though Watkins may not last that long either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Observation: how come every single white defender in the NFL is labled as having a "huge/bug/nonstop motor?

Good question. It seems to be a popular phrase with many DL prospects--but especially the Tackles. I think it differentiates them from the fat and lazy stereotype, maybe? And it seems to be the difference between the day one versus day two picks too.

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Originally Posted by Sully

I like Dvoracek.
But when you say "off-field problems" Wasn't he basically just going through depression? If that's the case, i would think that if it's being treated properly it shouldn't be a problem, and he'd be a great pick.

Of course, the Raiders felt the same about Barret Robbins.

I agree with you, but it is cited as a red flag often. I think it also involved some problems with alcohol and the police too, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phxchief

No corner.... at all?

I consider Bing (or any real head-hunter type) a big addition to the secondary. I the winner of Battle/Hodge/Perkins/Johnson/FA acquisition will serve us fine in Herm's Cover-2, IF we get more pressure from the front four.

Adding a FA CB would be good though. Woodson?

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-21-2006, 09:31 AM

Claude Wroten could be steal if KC grabs him

Gaz · 04-21-2006, 09:46 AM

I agree with the logic concerning the CB omission. I have long maintained that pass defense must be concentrated in The Enemy backfield. The PI rules clearly dictate this approach. I have not yet completely given up hope on Sims and Siavii, but I am hanging on by my fingernails.

Hicks is adequate against the run, but is not much of a pass rusher. It is probably time for him to take on a situational role and get someone who knows where the pencil-neck hangs out.

And since the Cover 2, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Kansas City, we need to give attention to the Safety position.

Pass rush first, Safety second. Whether that be via draft or FA is the interesting question.

Oh, and throw the Offense Homers a bone and give them a WR somewhere down the line. Buncha crybabies anyway...

xoxo~
Gaz
Fears all of this is for naught if Sims or Siavii cannot start getting an interior push.

Mr. Kotter · 04-21-2006, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Claude Wroten could be steal if KC grabs him

He seems to be pegged for late first/early second....which is why I didn't mention him. He also comes up on "over-rated" lists quite often. He seems like a beast to me, though. But, then again, so did Ryan Sims.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

I agree with the logic concerning the CB omission. I have long maintained that pass defense must be concentrated in The Enemy backfield. The PI rules clearly dictate this approach. I have not yet completely given up hope on Sims and Siavii, but I am hanging on by my fingernails.

Hicks is adequate against the run, but is not much of a pass rusher. It is probably time for him to take on a situational role and get someone who knows where the pencil-neck hangs out.

And since the Cover 2, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Kansas City, we need to give attention to the Safety position.

Pass rush first, Safety second. Whether that be via draft or FA is the interesting question.

Oh, and throw the Offense Homers a bone and give them a WR somewhere down the line. Buncha crybabies anyway...

xoxo~
Gaz
Fears all of this is for naught if Sims or Siavii cannot start getting an interior push.

Then, Gaz approves?

Gaz · 04-21-2006, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

He seems to be pegged for late first/early second....which is why I didn't mention him. He also comes up on "over-rated" lists quite often. He seems like a beast to me, though. Bu, then again, so did Ryan Sims.

Then, Gaz approves?

Re-thinking your plan now, right?

xoxo~
Gaz
Has that effect on people.

Mr. Kotter · 04-21-2006, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

Re-thinking your plan now, right?

xoxo~
Gaz
Has that effect on people.

Oh, no. I struggled with the whole CB in the first yesterday as well.....but only if Cramartie is there. I'm not sure about Williams, Joseph, or Hill, so I'm inclined to stay with Hali, and a trade-down (no trade-down makes the decision even more difficult though.)

Just trying to accomodate the CB homers....heh.

CoMoChief · 04-21-2006, 11:00 AM

Here's what I would like to happen....

1. DE Mathias Kiwanuka **Lets say we trade down because we know that he is still going to be there, then we pick up another third rounder.**

2. CB Ashton Youboty

3a. DT Rodrique Wright

3b. WR Jason Avant

5. OG Tony Palmer

6. Best player availble

7. Best player availble

I dont really know the posibilites of which players will go in which round, but I guess if some players were to fall, this is what I would like. Ive read some mock drafts that have these players falling in these respected rounds, but then again no one is gonna know until draft day.

Lurch · 04-21-2006, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

Here's what I would like to happen....

1. DE Mathias Kiwanuka **Lets say we trade down because we know that he is still going to be there, then we pick up another third rounder.**

2. CB Ashton Youboty

3a. DT Rodrique Wright

3b. WR Jason Avant

5. OG Tony Palmer

6. Best player availble

7. Best player availble

I dont really know the posibilites of which players will go in which round, but I guess if some players were to fall, this is what I would like. Ive read some mock drafts that have these players falling in these respected rounds, but then again no one is gonna know until draft day.

Wright's stock seemed to drop for a while there, but appears to be back up. I doubt he makes it out of the second round. Too much upside.

Mecca · 04-21-2006, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

If the name Cromartie isn't in a Chiefs mock, you'll dismiss it for one reason or another.

I thought the NFLDraftCountdown one was good........

**Dave Lane** · 04-21-2006, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

So we don't get a corner on day 1......but we get a slow WR who will probably struggle to get seperation against any type of defense. We also get a DT who has all sorts of atittude and character questions.......

No your wrong theres no CB at all. Hey we still have Bartee in case any one gets hurt!

Dave

Mr. Kotter · 04-21-2006, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

No your wrong theres no CB at all. Hey we still have Bartee in case any one gets hurt!

Dave

1. a. "Alternate Plan" includes a CB for you CB homers.....

Warrior5 · 04-21-2006, 11:24 AM

To echo Gaz' logic:

If you agree the Chiefs' greatest weakness is pass D, continue reading...

If you agree that PI rules have certainly given the edge to enemy receivers, continue reading...

If you agree that Cover 2 is now here with the HE era, then...

while the Chiefs certainly need another good CB, the best way to attack the enemy's vertical O is by attacking the passer. Kill the QB.

In round 1, priority of pick should be DT or DE, then Safety, in that order.

A "best defense is a good offense" kinda guy.

Logical · 04-21-2006, 02:11 PM

Pick after pick I like your mock Kotter, nice, I would come out draft weekend smiling if it were to go like that. Though I doubt Brad Smith ever amounts to anything, how often does a 7th rounder anyway?

Mr. Kotter · 04-21-2006, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Pick after pick I like your mock Kotter, nice, I would come out draft weekend smiling if it were to go like that. Though I doubt Brad Smith ever amounts to anything, how often does a 7th rounder anyway?

Thanks, Jim.

Too bad I can't be in the "War Room" next weekend!!!

04-20-2006, 11:15 PM
Mr. Kotter Self Ban Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In some's minds... Casino cash: $3194285	My 2006 Mock Fixes the Defense The 2006 NFL Draft is here--finally. Next weekend, the Chiefs will launch the Herman Edwards era with, perhaps, the most important draft they have faced in several years. Every draft is important, but with an aging squad the Chief’s choices next weekend could be the difference between a long rebuilding process and a quick reloading and turn-around. The Chiefs needs appear to be pretty clear: defensive line, defensive backfield, and wide receiver are the priorities, while depth on the offensive line and Quarterback-of-the-future (QBOTF) should also bear careful consideration. As they send several veterans to their retirements in the next year or two, there are replacements to be groomed in addition to the obvious upgrades they need at several positions. The future direction of this franchise may very well be determined by the draft choices the Chiefs make next weekend. Edwards has a reputation for being a good judge of talent and had a couple of impressive drafts while head coach of the Jets. Ideally, the Chiefs would like to draft three solid defensive players on the first day. However, the lack of depth in this draft may mean they only get two players who can make contributions early in their careers. The Edwards Era in Chief history would get a major lift with a good draft. Here is hoping it’s a good one! My two cents if I were in the war room, as if Herm or any of you really care… My 2006 Mock Draft in brief: 1. Tamba Hali, DE Penn State 1.a. ALTERNATE PLAN: (Based on Availability: Antonio Cromartie or Ty Hill, if you insist on a CB) 2. Darnell Bing, S USC 3. Dusty Dvorcek, DT Oklahoma 3b. TRADE-DOWN compensation: Jason Avant, WR Michigan 5. Rashad Butler, OT Miami-FL 6. Rashaan Powers-Neal FB Notre Dame 7. Brad Smith, QB Missouri *Day One:* First Round: TRADE DOWN (unless Bunkley or Ngata fall) Tamba Hali, DE (Penn State) Hali is a fierce, high motor threat to rush the QB. He’s a bit undersized, but tough against the run. A poor man’s Dwight Freeney? (Back-up plan: Kamerion Wimbley) OR, Antonio Cromartie or Ty Hill (Based on Availability: if you insist on a CB...but then you lose Avant, whom I really, really like despite the concerns of some about his speed.) By trading down in the first round with the Giants, Bears, or Panthers, the Chiefs should be able to acquire a third or fourth round draft pick. That would recoup the draft pick they lost in signing Edwards. If either Cromartie or Huff are still available when the Chiefs pick at 20, they would be hard for the Chiefs to pass on—and if they are available the Chiefs *should* grab them. If they can trade down for Ty Hill, I'd be okay with that too. I'm not confident in either of those scenarios, though. However, there should be good value at S and CB in the second round. The thinking here is to wait until the second round to fill a slot in the defensive backfield (maybe even wait until the third, hoping for Cedric Griffin, DeMario Minter, or Alan Zemaitis) Other possible first round picks: Kamerion Wimbley (DE, FSU) Ty Hill (CB, Clemson), Jonathon Joseph (CB, Virginia Tech), Jason Allen (S, Tennessee), or Richard Marshall (CB, Fresno State.) 2nd Round: 54. Darnell Bing, S (USC) Bing is an instinctive, tough, and hard-hitting head-hunter. Though he is not as fast as some other safeties, he’s an experienced playmaker. A young Sammy Knight? (Backup plan: Pat Watkins) Huff, Allen, and Whitner will be gone. Is Bing fast enough to play FS for a while? Maybe. But he could end up at SS, or even OLB. Bullocks might be available, and is faster. My gut says Bing will have a better NFL career. Other possible second round picks: Mathias Kiwanuka (DE, Boston College) or Ko Simpson (S, South Carolina) could fall; otherwise Rodrique Wright (DT, Texas) or John McCargo (DT, Virginia Tech) should be able to step in at DT. I’ve also grown fond of Pat Watkins (CB/FS, FSU), Roman Harper (S, Alabama), or Daryl Tapp (DE, Virginia Tech). Third Round: 85. Dusty Dvoracek, (DT, Oklahoma) Instinctive and intense football player, with a motor that never stops. In a word, tenacious. He’s had off-field issues, but he’s an on-field presence our D could use. (Back-up plan: Jonathon Lewis) Unless Wright, Lewis, Wroten, or McCargo fall, Dvoracek is an easy choice here if the Chiefs are serious about fixing their defensive line. Dvorcek, alongside Hali and Jared Allen, could transform a weakness into a strength, and one of the best young defensive lines in the league. 3rd Round pick, from first round “trade-down:” Jason Avant, (WR Michigan) A big, athletic, and polished WR who would be a good compliment to Sami Parker, as a possession receiver. (Back-up plan: Devin Aramashodo) Other possible third round picks: Jonathan Scott (OT, Texas), Greg Lee (WR, Pittsburg), Hank Baskett (WR, New Mexico), Guy Whimper (OT, E. Carolina), Mark Setterstrom (OG, Minnesota). *Day Two:* Fifth Round: Rashad Butler, (OT, Miami-FL) A great athlete who is quick and has great footwork. Explosive for his size. A project. Needs to add some weight, but can become an LT in the NFL. A Skinny Willie Roaf? (Back-up plan, Whimper, or Setterstrom—if they drop; as OL prospects do) If Svitek, Sampson, Black, or Parquet don’t work out, here’s our next offensive linemen experiment. Sixth Round: Rashaan Powers-Neal, (FB, Notre Dame) Versatile athlete who can run and catch, but he is also a good blocker. TRich’s heir apparent? Versatility is the key for FBs in the NFL today. And this kid is already a decent blocker on top of it. Seventh Round: Brad Smith, (QB, Missouri) A project and potential back-up QB? If nothing else, maybe he becomes an Antwan Randle-El type player for the Chiefs... FLAME AWAY......heh Last edited by Mr. Kotter; 04-21-2006 at 10:03 AM..
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Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Interesting approach... I agree with the logic concerning the CB omission. I have long maintained that pass defense must be concentrated in The Enemy backfield. The PI rules clearly dictate this approach. I have not yet completely given up hope on Sims and Siavii, but I am hanging on by my fingernails. Hicks is adequate against the run, but is not much of a pass rusher. It is probably time for him to take on a situational role and get someone who knows where the pencil-neck hangs out. And since the Cover 2, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Kansas City, we need to give attention to the Safety position. Pass rush first, Safety second. Whether that be via draft or FA is the interesting question. Oh, and throw the Offense Homers a bone and give them a WR somewhere down the line. Buncha crybabies anyway... xoxo~ Gaz Fears all of this is for naught if Sims or Siavii cannot start getting an interior push.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7662254	Here's what I would like to happen.... 1. DE Mathias Kiwanuka Lets say we trade down because we know that he is still going to be there, then we pick up another third rounder. 2. CB Ashton Youboty 3a. DT Rodrique Wright 3b. WR Jason Avant 5. OG Tony Palmer 6. Best player availble 7. Best player availble I dont really know the posibilites of which players will go in which round, but I guess if some players were to fall, this is what I would like. Ive read some mock drafts that have these players falling in these respected rounds, but then again no one is gonna know until draft day. __________________
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Warrior5 Stram was Cav Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8054010	DE, DT, or safety with the 1st pick To echo Gaz' logic: If you agree the Chiefs' greatest weakness is pass D, continue reading... If you agree that PI rules have certainly given the edge to enemy receivers, continue reading... If you agree that Cover 2 is now here with the HE era, then... while the Chiefs certainly need another good CB, the best way to attack the enemy's vertical O is by attacking the passer. Kill the QB. In round 1, priority of pick should be DT or DE, then Safety, in that order. A "best defense is a good offense" kinda guy. __________________ The best pass defense is attacking the passer.
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Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Pick after pick I like your mock Kotter, nice, I would come out draft weekend smiling if it were to go like that. Though I doubt Brad Smith ever amounts to anything, how often does a 7th rounder anyway?
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