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Old 04-28-2006, 08:27 AM  
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:07 AM   #16
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And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.
This has nothing to do with the USC football program. It's not about the program buying players. This was a guy that was trying to secure part of Bush's pro career business by giving him an early advance. Bush violated NCAA regulations, USC didn't. But USC will probably still suffer consequences.

And to be clear, it wasn't that luxurious of a house. Certainly a step up from where they lived, but nothing extravagant. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect the football program to keep dibs on where player's parents live, or whether they can afford to live there.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:08 AM   #17
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:18 AM   #18
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This has nothing to do with the USC football program. It's not about the program buying players. This was a guy that was trying to secure part of Bush's pro career business by giving him an early advance. Bush violated NCAA regulations, USC didn't. But USC will probably still suffer consequences.

And to be clear, it wasn't that luxurious of a house. Certainly a step up from where they lived, but nothing extravagant. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect the football program to keep dibs on where player's parents live, or whether they can afford to live there.
They wouldn't have to investigate every team member. Just the ones likely to receive help from outside sources. I'll bet most of the team knew it. USC should have known it.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:24 AM   #19
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They wouldn't have to investigate every team member. Just the ones likely to receive help from outside sources. I'll bet most of the team knew it. USC should have known it.
But why is their responsibility to? Can they really do anything to keep Bush from entering into illegal transactions?

I think you have to be able to recognize what is the resposibility of the individual, and what is the responsibilty of the school. They can't control this any more than they can control a player getting drunk and driving or getting into a fight.

What makes this a rare case is Bush got away with it long enough that the football program no longer has any power to levy punishment on him.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:26 AM   #20
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But why is their responsibility to? Can they really do anything to keep Bush from entering into illegal transactions?

I think you have to be able to recognize what is the resposibility of the individual, and what is the responsibilty of the school. They can't control this any more than they can control a player getting drunk and driving or getting into a fight.

What makes this a rare case is Bush got away with it long enough that the football program no longer has any power to levy punishment on him.
I'll bet the NCAA won't see it that way.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:29 AM   #21
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And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.
By Cali standards, that house wasn't outrageous. In an episode of Flip This House (or is it Flip That House), this total piece house in which squatters had lived for two years and the kitchen and plumbing needed to be replaced still sold for $350K.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:32 AM   #22
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This is not USC's fault. Nor in my mind is it Reggie Bush's fault. Hell, how many of us would not do whatever it took to move our families into safe, secure housing.

I don't know where they came from, but suffice to say that if Reggie got his folks out of poverty, then good for him.
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I don't think it will effect his draft status. He'll still get a $20 million+ deal when he signs with Houston.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:34 AM   #24
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By Cali standards, that house wasn't outrageous. In an episode of Flip This House (or is it Flip That House), this total piece house in which squatters had lived for two years and the kitchen and plumbing needed to be replaced still sold for $350K.
If we knew how long they lived there we could figure it's approximate value. They owe $54,000 in rent. I'll bet they didn't make a payment.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:36 AM   #25
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This is not USC's fault. Nor in my mind is it Reggie Bush's fault. Hell, how many of us would not do whatever it took to move our families into safe, secure housing.

I don't know where they came from, but suffice to say that if Reggie got his folks out of poverty, then good for him.
I agree with all that BUT it's against NCAA regulations. That is what we are talking about here.
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I don't think it will effect his draft status. He'll still get a $20 million+ deal when he signs with Houston.

24.6 million I believe...that's just the bonus mind you
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I'll bet the NCAA won't see it that way.
I agree. My point is that I don't think it's fair to the school.
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If we knew how long they lived there we could figure it's approximate value. They owe $54,000 in rent. I'll bet they didn't make a payment.
The house was worth 750k.

The same house where you live would probably be under 200k.
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