Hindsight 20/20: Was it a mistake to bench Huard? - Page 2

Believer · 12-17-2006, 10:12 AM

I know. I know. Huard had a bad game at Miami. But in 2001 Brady came off a so-so game vs St.Louis as the Patriots fell to 5-5, but Belichick saw the whole picture, that the Patriots had turned around a 0-2 start by going 5-3 under Brady.

there are good arguments for either side, but i think, since Green has only really had one good game, and last week he stunk to high heaven, its a valid question. Would Huard have had 2 picks, a fumble, and a bunch of sacks?

He wasnt the passer Green is, but he managed the game better and helped the defense.

Just throwing it out there...

chief52 · 12-17-2006, 11:20 AM

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Green has been sacked 13 times this season in 115 pass attempts.

Huard was sacked 16 times in 241 pass attempts.
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Opening day is skewing that stat.

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Opening day is skewing that stat.

and opening day shouldn't count?

Green is a great QB...

But his style doesn't fit in our Hermified offense...at all.

He holds the ball to long, he depends on his line to give him time to go through his reads, and he depends on his receivers far too much, especially when your #2 WR is Samie Parker.

Huard was a two read QB, made quick decisions, and had no problem dumping the ball off to LJ who was averaging AT LEAST 8 YPC (don't feel like looking it up)...

So, until Green stops taking sacks and making stupid errors, it was a HUGE mistake to bench Huard...

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2006, 11:28 AM

Huard would have been eaten alive against Baltimore and you know it. Two reads and dump the ball doesn't ****ing work against defenses like that.

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 11:31 AM

I wasn't even impressed with the Ravens defense...

Green, for the most part, had plenty of time to make throws...but he held the friggin' ball too long.

Their pass rushers outside of Suggs are weak, Kelly Gregg isn't any good, Ray Lewis is slow...

Green pretty much just gave those two INT's to Reed...both UNNECESSARY throws to say the least...

we moved the ball all game long...but as soon as we hit a 3rd down, boom, Green mistake.

The Dunn drop and the Tynes miss didn't help, either...but we could've very easily put up 20+ points...

And besides, you have NO IDEA how Huard would've done against Baltimore's defense...either way, he couldn't have done ANY worse than Green...who pretty much lost the game for us.

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Huard would have been eaten alive against Baltimore and you know it. Two reads and dump the ball doesn't ****ing work against defenses like that.

Also During the Miami game, if not one was open or if they are open down the side line.. Throw it to Coral Gabels...

blueballs · 12-17-2006, 11:32 AM

can I borrow your brain pan
I need a coaster for my shot glass

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2006, 11:33 AM

Hootie, Hootie, Hootie, Where were you these last 5 years when Huard was 3rd on the dept chart?

Why wasnt you calling for him then?

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 11:33 AM

I posted the drive chart after the game last week...all game long we moved the ball...and outside of a few nice 3rd and long completions, Green was horrible...

Hopefully this week, if we hit a 3rd and 4 or 3rd and 5 we can toss in a few draw plays...I rather see LJ get stuffed on 3rd and 4 than Green get sacked/throw an incompletion/have Parker drop the ball/throw an INT/etc. etc. etc.

Believer · 12-17-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Huard would have been eaten alive against Baltimore and you know it. Two reads and dump the ball doesn't ****ing work against defenses like that.

But he wouldnt have had a fumble and 2 interceptions in the first half either.

the only shot against that defense is to not make mistakes and be opportunistic.

I agree that you cant heap it all on Green The Chiefs need 2 more OL and a WR. But some QB's need the perfect scenario and some dont.
Brady had Antowain Smith, Jermaine Wiggins, Troy Brown, and David Patten in 2001 and threw for 145 yards and won SB 36.
He allowed his defense to win the game by not making any stupid mistakes.
its an underated aspect to Quarterbacking in the NFL.
And Huard looked like he had learned it from Belichick and Brady to near perfection. He stayed within himself. Green forces things. Its not 2003, he doesnt have the same weapons. He needs to be a game manager with this personnel.

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Hootie, Hootie, Hootie, Where were you these last 5 years when Huard was 3rd on the dept chart?

Why wasnt you calling for him then?

Terrible point.

The last 5 years we had Roaf/Tait/Welbourn and an offensive coaching staff that Green TOTALLY fit.

Now, we have a system that Green doesn't belong in...

Green would be having a monster year over in Washington...as a Green fan, I'd like to see the Chiefs release him and see him over in Washington being the Green we were all so accustomed too...because he isn't any good in our Hermified offense.

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Believer

But he wouldnt have had a fumble and 2 interceptions in the first half either.

the only shot against that defense is to not make mistakes and be opportunistic.

I agree that you cant heap it all on Green The Chiefs need 2 more OL and a WR. But some QB's need the perfect scenario and some dont.
Brady had Antowain Smith, Jermaine Wiggins, Troy Brown, and David Patten in 2001 and threw for 145 yards and won SB 36.
He allowed his defense to win the game by not making any stupid mistakes.
its an underated aspect to Quarterbacking in the NFL.
And Huard looked like he had learned it from Belichick and Brady to near perfection. He stayed within himself. Green forces things. Its not 2003, he doesnt have the same weapons. He needs to be a game manager with this personnel.

First off, our defense isn't going to win many games for us...

Secondly, we have Herm friggin' Edwards not Genius Bellichek...

So...I can agree with a lot of things, but probably not this. Comparing our situation to New England a few years ago doesn't make sense to me.

The reason I think Huard should be starting is because he is the PERFECT Herm Edwards QB.

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

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And besides, you have NO IDEA how Huard would've done against Baltimore's defense....

Yes I do.

The Ravens went into Cincinatti and held a CARSON PALMER-led offense to 13 points.

Huard probably would have thrown 3 or 4 interceptions.

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Terrible point.

The last 5 years we had Roaf/Tait/Welbourn and an offensive coaching staff that Green TOTALLY fit.

Now, we have a system that Green doesn't belong in...

Green would be having a monster year over in Washington...as a Green fan, I'd like to see the Chiefs release him and see him over in Washington being the Green we were all so accustomed too...because he isn't any good in our Hermified offense.

But with all of that in place, wouldnt of Huard excelled and produced better than Green?

Hootie · 12-17-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Yes I do.

The Ravens went into Cincinatti and held a CARSON PALMER-led offense to 13 points.

Huard probably would have thrown 3 or 4 interceptions.

and he would've been sacked 900 times and blah blah blah blah blah...

The stats aren't lying here...

Green gets sacked about twice as much as Huard...and throws stupid INT's...

Say DB's dropped several Huard balls all you want, but he had 1 friggin' INT in 241 pass attempts.

The Ravens DB's never made any plays on the ball...the two picks Green threw were balls the friggin' Green Bay Packers would've picked off.

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Believer Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Hindsight 20/20: Was it a mistake to bench Huard? I know. I know. Huard had a bad game at Miami. But in 2001 Brady came off a so-so game vs St.Louis as the Patriots fell to 5-5, but Belichick saw the whole picture, that the Patriots had turned around a 0-2 start by going 5-3 under Brady. there are good arguments for either side, but i think, since Green has only really had one good game, and last week he stunk to high heaven, its a valid question. Would Huard have had 2 picks, a fumble, and a bunch of sacks? He wasnt the passer Green is, but he managed the game better and helped the defense. Just throwing it out there...
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I wasn't even impressed with the Ravens defense... Green, for the most part, had plenty of time to make throws...but he held the friggin' ball too long. Their pass rushers outside of Suggs are weak, Kelly Gregg isn't any good, Ray Lewis is slow... Green pretty much just gave those two INT's to Reed...both UNNECESSARY throws to say the least... we moved the ball all game long...but as soon as we hit a 3rd down, boom, Green mistake. The Dunn drop and the Tynes miss didn't help, either...but we could've very easily put up 20+ points... And besides, you have NO IDEA how Huard would've done against Baltimore's defense...either way, he couldn't have done ANY worse than Green...who pretty much lost the game for us.
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