For all the people that "boo" Elvis... - Page 2

wutamess · 09-29-2000, 08:41 AM

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch is reporting that Kansas City Chiefs and QB Elvis Grbac might reach an impasse at the end of the season. Grbac is due a $10 million roster bonus on March 1 and if Grbac continues his torrid pace, he just might leave KC. The fans in Kansas City have been overly critical of their signal caller ever since he signed with them. During the Chiefs home opener against the Indianapolis Colts, the KC boo-birds were out in full force and they were not afraid to voice their displeasure over his performance. Now that Grbac is tied for the NFL lead in touchdowns with 10 (should be 13 TD’s since he has had 3 interceptions returned for scores) the boo-birds have been caged up. Grbac's deal was designed to reward him if he excelled this season or make him easy to trim if he falters.

So in essence, if he turns out to be a great QB, and gets the signing bonus, but because of the cap, KC can't pay him, the deciding factor to leave or stay in KC would be based on people "booing" him for making common mistakes that every other QB in the league makes. Sounds fair to me, but I sure don't think I would like to see it happen.

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Warrior5 · 09-29-2000, 10:18 AM

Mark M (re #7),

"The only reason the Chiefs stuck with him is that Carl can't admit a mistake (not saying EG was one, but you gotta wonder)."

There may have been times when Carl wished he didn't sign Grbac to such a hefty contract. [b]Maybe[/b] he would have let him go by now if he wouldn't have had to take such a significant cap-hit. But, I don't think he's holding on to him because he is unable to admit a mistake. Admitting such a mistake to the media would be a cardinal error............."well guys, I wish I hadn't signed that loser to that contract, now we're stuck with him for the next ? years.....sorry Kansas City". The team would certainly have gone down the tubes if he had admitted that.

Anyway, IMO it's really beginning to look like he didn't make a mistake. I agree that a $10m bonus is way above what he (or just about any QB) deserves, but that will be taken care of. Grbac has only had a few bad games since the beginning of last season. Now's the time to stick with him, and keep him here with a [i]reasonable[/i] contract extension, and hopefully bring in a good QB from the draft as a back-up.

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rkucera · 09-29-2000, 11:05 AM

Lived in orlando when the magic (basketball) had O'neal, Penny we had the big man & he could not make a free throw to save his life but with that said O'neal would score 30 points are more a game .

point being they would boo the **** out of him now all the boo birds can talk about was when O'neal would slam the ball down &how he played D

do not what you have till it's gone

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Cannibal · 09-29-2000, 11:16 AM

Regarding the Carl made a mistake thing, remember Carl had his chance to dump him a few years ago, but instead they worked ot a contract extension for him, which instituted this bonus we are talking about now. Carl knew what he was getting into. Steiner I believe said that the bonus was a result of bringing the average of the contract up and they expected to rework things when it got to that point.

Clint, as far as the "pc" thing to say, that is true, but he isn't saying stuff like a lot of guys do say nowadays like "I like KC but I'd like to test the free agent waters." Again, if the Chiefs want him, he is under contract and both sides have every incentive to try and get an extention or a new deal done between them, especially since releasing him will save them the 10 million bonus but will still count a few million towards the cap because of his signing bonus and length of contract and the inability to wait until June 1 to release him. Otherwise if the Chiefs do not feel that strongly about it then they can take the hit in exchange for the $10 mil and go a different direction...

09-29-2000, 11:23 AM

Duh... Elvis got booed 'cause he's the quarterback and the offense sucked... That's why he gets paid the big bucks... Regardless of the coaching and play calling, which sucked too, Elvis is the general on the field. Hence, the general will be booed or cheered depending on his performance...

Remember, even the lions got booed when they didn't eat the Christians fast enough...<BR>

Stinger · 09-29-2000, 02:11 PM

Not that the points being made here aren't valid, but the thread was started on an article written in the ST. LOUIS paper.

Anyway, don't forget KC was the first city to give EG a chance, regardless of the booing. Remember the mayor in San Fran called him something like the worst quarterback ever. Boos probably mean nothing to him.

Cannibal · 09-29-2000, 02:14 PM

Yes, the "embarrasment to humankind"... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

wutamess · 09-29-2000, 02:21 PM

I dunno man. I sure I know I wouldn't be compelled to to my best if my ego had been wounded by the very people that were suppossed to support me. Man, I make mistakes too...

redbrian · 09-29-2000, 02:36 PM

See the "political correctness" thread.

What the he*l ever happened to "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger"? Bradshaw was almost booed out of Pittsburgh and labeled a bust. The start of his NFL career was almost Leaf-esque. Now he's in the Hall of Fame.

EG will never be in the HOF, but booing is no excuse for failure unless you're a total pus*y.

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wutamess · 09-29-2000, 02:46 PM

Jesus Clint, all I am saying is the guy makes freakin mistakes. Give him a break. It is gonna happen. And I promise you... it is NOT making him any stronger by breaking his focus and concentration by trying to bust his ego. I am willing to put down money that he performs better when he is supported. Direct all of that negative energy towards the other team man. I don't need this from a fellow fan.

sun · 09-29-2000, 03:19 PM

I find it hard to believe that he is the best we've had in 27 years.

I'm on Clint's side.

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ddpatterson · 09-30-2000, 08:26 AM

If Elvis stays with the Chiefs, and believe he will, and he continues to play the way he has played thus far this season, and continues to improve, by the end of his career, he will become the second best QB in KC history. As it stands now, Bill Kenney is #2 on that list.

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Cannibal · 09-30-2000, 02:28 PM

Just remember, he is the one who has already said he doesn't give a damn about the boos, so I think we are beyond the ego busting. I'm sure he'd rather get the crowd behind him but he knows how it is, and his most important concern right now seems to be to have his teammates have his back. I think Tongue's recent statements should fire him up even more, and led to his "Its time for me to step up and take it to Seattle" comments...

09-29-2000, 10:18 AM	#16
Warrior5 Stram was Cav Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8054010	Mark M (re #7), "The only reason the Chiefs stuck with him is that Carl can't admit a mistake (not saying EG was one, but you gotta wonder)." There may have been times when Carl wished he didn't sign Grbac to such a hefty contract. [b]Maybe[/b] he would have let him go by now if he wouldn't have had to take such a significant cap-hit. But, I don't think he's holding on to him because he is unable to admit a mistake. Admitting such a mistake to the media would be a cardinal error............."well guys, I wish I hadn't signed that loser to that contract, now we're stuck with him for the next ? years.....sorry Kansas City". The team would certainly have gone down the tubes if he had admitted that. Anyway, IMO it's really beginning to look like he didn't make a mistake. I agree that a $10m bonus is way above what he (or just about any QB) deserves, but that will be taken care of. Grbac has only had a few bad games since the beginning of last season. Now's the time to stick with him, and keep him here with a [i]reasonable[/i] contract extension, and hopefully bring in a good QB from the draft as a back-up. I figured if I debated a point with you, it might help you out of lurker-dom [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img] <BR>
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09-29-2000, 11:05 AM	#17
rkucera Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $10004900	Lived in orlando when the magic (basketball) had O'neal, Penny we had the big man & he could not make a free throw to save his life but with that said O'neal would score 30 points are more a game . point being they would boo the **** out of him now all the boo birds can talk about was when O'neal would slam the ball down &how he played D do not what you have till it's gone CHIEFS
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09-29-2000, 11:16 AM	#18
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Regarding the Carl made a mistake thing, remember Carl had his chance to dump him a few years ago, but instead they worked ot a contract extension for him, which instituted this bonus we are talking about now. Carl knew what he was getting into. Steiner I believe said that the bonus was a result of bringing the average of the contract up and they expected to rework things when it got to that point. Clint, as far as the "pc" thing to say, that is true, but he isn't saying stuff like a lot of guys do say nowadays like "I like KC but I'd like to test the free agent waters." Again, if the Chiefs want him, he is under contract and both sides have every incentive to try and get an extention or a new deal done between them, especially since releasing him will save them the 10 million bonus but will still count a few million towards the cap because of his signing bonus and length of contract and the inability to wait until June 1 to release him. Otherwise if the Chiefs do not feel that strongly about it then they can take the hit in exchange for the $10 mil and go a different direction...
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09-29-2000, 11:23 AM	#19
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	Duh... Elvis got booed 'cause he's the quarterback and the offense sucked... That's why he gets paid the big bucks... Regardless of the coaching and play calling, which sucked too, Elvis is the general on the field. Hence, the general will be booed or cheered depending on his performance... Remember, even the lions got booed when they didn't eat the Christians fast enough...<BR>
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09-29-2000, 02:11 PM	#20
Stinger Bazinga Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $1974507	Not that the points being made here aren't valid, but the thread was started on an article written in the ST. LOUIS paper. Anyway, don't forget KC was the first city to give EG a chance, regardless of the booing. Remember the mayor in San Fran called him something like the worst quarterback ever. Boos probably mean nothing to him.
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09-29-2000, 08:41 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	The St. Louis Post-Dispatch is reporting that Kansas City Chiefs and QB Elvis Grbac might reach an impasse at the end of the season. Grbac is due a $10 million roster bonus on March 1 and if Grbac continues his torrid pace, he just might leave KC. The fans in Kansas City have been overly critical of their signal caller ever since he signed with them. During the Chiefs home opener against the Indianapolis Colts, the KC boo-birds were out in full force and they were not afraid to voice their displeasure over his performance. Now that Grbac is tied for the NFL lead in touchdowns with 10 (should be 13 TD’s since he has had 3 interceptions returned for scores) the boo-birds have been caged up. Grbac's deal was designed to reward him if he excelled this season or make him easy to trim if he falters. So in essence, if he turns out to be a great QB, and gets the signing bonus, but because of the cap, KC can't pay him, the deciding factor to leave or stay in KC would be based on people "booing" him for making common mistakes that every other QB in the league makes. Sounds fair to me, but I sure don't think I would like to see it happen. [This message has been edited by bishop_74 (edited 09-29-2000).]
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09-29-2000, 02:14 PM	#21
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09-29-2000, 02:21 PM	#22
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	I dunno man. I sure I know I wouldn't be compelled to to my best if my ego had been wounded by the very people that were suppossed to support me. Man, I make mistakes too...
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09-29-2000, 02:36 PM	#23
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	See the "political correctness" thread. What the hel ever happened to "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger"? Bradshaw was almost booed out of Pittsburgh and labeled a bust. The start of his NFL career was almost Leaf-esque. Now he's in the Hall of Fame. EG will never be in the HOF, but booing is no excuse for failure unless you're a total pusy. [This message has been edited by Clint in Wichita (edited 09-29-2000).] [This message has been edited by Clint in Wichita (edited 09-29-2000).]
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09-29-2000, 02:46 PM	#24
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	Jesus Clint, all I am saying is the guy makes freakin mistakes. Give him a break. It is gonna happen. And I promise you... it is NOT making him any stronger by breaking his focus and concentration by trying to bust his ego. I am willing to put down money that he performs better when he is supported. Direct all of that negative energy towards the other team man. I don't need this from a fellow fan.
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09-29-2000, 03:19 PM	#25
sun Tacklen' Fuel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Farmington, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	I find it hard to believe that he is the best we've had in 27 years. I'm on Clint's side. [This message has been edited by 47mack (edited 09-29-2000).]
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09-30-2000, 08:26 AM	#26
ddpatterson Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	If Elvis stays with the Chiefs, and believe he will, and he continues to play the way he has played thus far this season, and continues to improve, by the end of his career, he will become the second best QB in KC history. As it stands now, Bill Kenney is #2 on that list. ------------------ [b]Red Eyes[/b] [i]Chinn Up.[/i] [b]The [i]SitCom[/i] must die!!</B>
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09-30-2000, 02:28 PM	#27
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Just remember, he is the one who has already said he doesn't give a damn about the boos, so I think we are beyond the ego busting. I'm sure he'd rather get the crowd behind him but he knows how it is, and his most important concern right now seems to be to have his teammates have his back. I think Tongue's recent statements should fire him up even more, and led to his "Its time for me to step up and take it to Seattle" comments...
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