Your Thoughts on the Cover 2 - Page 2

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2007, 07:51 AM

I hate it.

I hated it in Tampa, and I hate it here. I can't imagine a worse scheme for any defensive coordinator to design. It's not a "scheme" at all, basically it says--go make a play. It's the easiest defense to exploit for weak-armed quarterbacks (due to the soft middle). The Cover 2 requires so much talent to work correctly that unless you are coaching the NFC Pro Bowl roster, you're fucked.

I'm also infuriated by the fact that we are implementing a system that does not fit the talents of our players. We don't have Cover 2 LBs, and we don't have Cover 2 DT's.

Look at the difference between the Bears D and the Philly D. Philly can switch out nearly anyone and their defense still gets it done. The Bears lose Tommy Harris and Mike Brown and now they are a sieve.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 10:39 AM

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No...but I believe we have a Head Coach that is going to stubbornly stick to whatever he likes...no matter if it works or not.

That's what DV did in 2001 with Ramifization. Maybe it will be gangbusters in '08...

Hammock Parties · 01-08-2007, 10:40 AM

Law would get completely abused in a man-coverage scheme BTW.

htismaqe · 01-08-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Getting rid of Wesley and Bell will make a big difference...and probably Lenny Walls, too.

We're gonna go through some growing pains with Pollard and Page, but it's time to put them in. Show Sammy the bench and Wesley the door...

el borracho · 01-08-2007, 10:55 AM

As we played it, I'm not a fan. With an exceptional front four, we would all be fans. We need at least 2 DTs to make this thing go.

Hammock Parties · 01-08-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

We're gonna go through some growing pains with Pollard and Page, but it's time to put them in. Show Sammy the bench and Wesley the door...

I agree 100%, although Knight would be a good backup.

el borracho · 01-08-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Getting rid of Wesley and Bell will make a big difference...and probably Lenny Walls, too.

Really, you were unhappy with Walls' performance? I thought he was a huuuuge upgrade over Sapp.

htismaqe · 01-08-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I agree 100%, although Knight would be a good backup.

That's why I said show him the bench.

Chiefnj · 01-08-2007, 11:21 AM

I don't mind Wesley. He still likes to hit. Get some pressure up front and all of the players in the secondary will look better. Let Wesley, Page and Pollard all fight it out for the two starting spots.

**Bowser** · 01-08-2007, 11:40 AM

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I agree 100%, although Knight would be a good backup.

He's be on kick/punt coverage, then. Does he still have the speed to pull it off?

Hammock Parties · 01-08-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

He's be on kick/punt coverage, then. Does he still have the speed to pull it off?

Knight's been on the kick coverage team all year I think.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

As we played it, I'm not a fan. With an exceptional front four, we would all be fans. We need at least 2 DTs to make this thing go.

Look at Philly's front four. They aren't nearly as talented as the Chiefs, nor are their linebackers. The difference is that their scheme works with the strength of their D, a strong secondary. Ours exacerbates our greatest weakness, the DTs, MLB and idiot FS.

B_Ambuehl · 01-08-2007, 01:28 PM

The cover 2 requires a good front 7 and makes up for a weak secondary. The man on man scheme requires good front 4 and back 4...take your pick really.

The funny thing is our personnel this year was much better suited to run Gun's blitz happy scheme.

Fishpicker · 01-08-2007, 02:49 PM

I like the Tampa 2 but we play that as the base defense way too often. It works best when you mix it up with blitzes. Gun and co. got into the habit of playing Tampa 2 by default during the second halves of a lot of football games this year. I think we're married to this defense for as long as we start the Law/Surtain tandem

I think one of the major problems we had this year was the CBs ran a bit too far with the WRs and we wound up with gaping holes in the flat/sideliness. (possibly due to the CBs not fully trusting the safeties to help over the top.) ala Cleveland Browns

The safeties weren't out of position as much as in previous years yet Wesley and Knight do not have adequate footspeed to cover half the field. this is especially true when they are brought down in to the box for run support. I hope a changing of the guard can improve our deep zone coverage. Pollard and Page will experience some growing pains but we should let them learn on the job for the sake of 2008. If we scheme correctly those 2 should show some immediate dividends.

so in short I think our secondary can get by while we retool our interior defense over the next 2 years. But by then we will need to upgrade both corners.

Mecca · 01-08-2007, 02:53 PM

It takes ungodly talent to run a cover 2 in this day an age......or your the Colts on defense.

Hell USC runs in it college but they probably have as much talent back there as NFL teams and PC has a much more blitzing style cover 2 than we do....maybe Herm should take some notes from them.

**petegz28** · 01-08-2007, 02:53 PM

You have a good down 4 and the cover 2 can work fine.

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01-08-2007, 07:51 AM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Your Thoughts on the Cover 2 I hate it. I hated it in Tampa, and I hate it here. I can't imagine a worse scheme for any defensive coordinator to design. It's not a "scheme" at all, basically it says--go make a play. It's the easiest defense to exploit for weak-armed quarterbacks (due to the soft middle). The Cover 2 requires so much talent to work correctly that unless you are coaching the NFC Pro Bowl roster, you're fucked. I'm also infuriated by the fact that we are implementing a system that does not fit the talents of our players. We don't have Cover 2 LBs, and we don't have Cover 2 DT's. Look at the difference between the Bears D and the Philly D. Philly can switch out nearly anyone and their defense still gets it done. The Bears lose Tommy Harris and Mike Brown and now they are a sieve.
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01-08-2007, 10:55 AM	#19
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2429148	As we played it, I'm not a fan. With an exceptional front four, we would all be fans. We need at least 2 DTs to make this thing go.
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01-08-2007, 11:21 AM	#23
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	I don't mind Wesley. He still likes to hit. Get some pressure up front and all of the players in the secondary will look better. Let Wesley, Page and Pollard all fight it out for the two starting spots. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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01-08-2007, 01:28 PM	#27
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	The cover 2 requires a good front 7 and makes up for a weak secondary. The man on man scheme requires good front 4 and back 4...take your pick really. The funny thing is our personnel this year was much better suited to run Gun's blitz happy scheme. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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01-08-2007, 02:49 PM	#28
Fishpicker On one quarter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I play all day Casino cash: $457111	I like the Tampa 2 but we play that as the base defense way too often. It works best when you mix it up with blitzes. Gun and co. got into the habit of playing Tampa 2 by default during the second halves of a lot of football games this year. I think we're married to this defense for as long as we start the Law/Surtain tandem I think one of the major problems we had this year was the CBs ran a bit too far with the WRs and we wound up with gaping holes in the flat/sideliness. (possibly due to the CBs not fully trusting the safeties to help over the top.) ala Cleveland Browns The safeties weren't out of position as much as in previous years yet Wesley and Knight do not have adequate footspeed to cover half the field. this is especially true when they are brought down in to the box for run support. I hope a changing of the guard can improve our deep zone coverage. Pollard and Page will experience some growing pains but we should let them learn on the job for the sake of 2008. If we scheme correctly those 2 should show some immediate dividends. so in short I think our secondary can get by while we retool our interior defense over the next 2 years. But by then we will need to upgrade both corners. __________________ A person who has been [ideologically] demoralized cannot assess true information. the [demoralization] process is complete and irreversible. -Yuri Bezmenov on Soviet Subversion
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01-08-2007, 02:53 PM	#29
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	It takes ungodly talent to run a cover 2 in this day an age......or your the Colts on defense. Hell USC runs in it college but they probably have as much talent back there as NFL teams and PC has a much more blitzing style cover 2 than we do....maybe Herm should take some notes from them.
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01-08-2007, 02:53 PM	#30
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1185873	You have a good down 4 and the cover 2 can work fine.
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