Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds. - Page 2

BIG_DADDY · 01-31-2007, 06:45 PM

I got to pat myself on the back, some of you said I was crazy. WTF is going on out there in Kansas and Missouri? The mass majority of the country is throwing out BSL but you guys are catering to PETA and HSUS like nobody else by far. Fast track to the slaughter of man's best friend.

Sec. 6-25. Dangerous dogs.
(a) As used in this section, “dangerous dog” shall mean and include any of the following:
(1) Any dog, whether purebred or mix, which is more than ninety (90) days
old, and has the appearance and characteristics of any one or more of the
following breed(s):
i. American Pit Bull Terrier
ii. American Staffordshire Terrier
iii. Bull Terrier
iv. Staffordshire Bull Terrier
v. Argentine Dogo
vi. Cane Corso
vii. Dogue de Bordeaux
viii. Dogo Cubano
ix. Dogo Sardesco
x. Fila Brasileiro
xi. Perro de Presa Canario
xii. Wolf hybrids
(2) Any dog which has attacked a human being or domestic animal without
provocation; or
(3) Any dog, while at-large, that, without provocation, exhibits aggression or
combativeness toward a person or another domestic animal in an apparent
attack, whether or not said person or animal is actually attacked, bitten, or
otherwise physically injured; or
(4) Any dog kept or harbored primarily, or in part, for the purpose of dog
fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or
(5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used
primarily to guard public or private property; or
(6) Any dog which is known to his keeper or harborer, or reasonably should
be known to his keeper or harborer, to have a propensity, tendency or
disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger
the safety of human beings or domestic animals. It is hereby declared to

acesn8s · 02-01-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Its certainly not baiting to have an opinion on the issue that is contrary. I just see no need for pit bulls as a pet.

I understand the pet owners desire to have them I just dont think they are a reasonable choice..I know if one lived near me Id do whatever i could to be rid of it legally.

And if a community decides to ban them, thats fine with me. I dont see banning pit bulls as the next assault on our way of life.

Why not ban Poodles too?

BIG_DADDY · 02-01-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Its certainly not baiting to have an opinion on the issue that is contrary. I just see no need for pit bulls as a pet.

I understand the pet owners desire to have them I just dont think they are a reasonable choice..I know if one lived near me Id do whatever i could to be rid of it legally.

And if a community decides to ban them, thats fine with me. I dont see banning pit bulls as the next assault on our way of life.

Go to the JMART thread, you should participate douchebag.

BIG_DADDY · 02-01-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by acesn8s

It's just that stupid people irritate me and I'm suffering from lack of sleep.

Either just plain stupid or a PETA member, maybe both. Either way not really worth your time or mine.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-01-2007, 11:34 AM

The Planet is in rare form today.

Archie Bunker · 02-01-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx

WTF?? - (5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used primarily to guard public or private property

Hell, I have two Australian Cattle dogs and since I have no cattle for them to earn their keep, their job is to guard the house. If I wanted a dog just to pet, feed, pay medical etc. I would get a Yorkie. Nothing against Yorkies folks! Just that I don't think one would be a good guard dog, alarm dog yes. My inlaws have one and boy does she go off whenever someone comes to the door!

I got an Australian Cattle dog last year. He is little hyper and out of control sometimes, but he might be the smartest dog I have ever owned. One of the best decisions I've made.

acesn8s · 02-01-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Planet is in rare form today.

We are just waiting for football season to start. We are suffering from withdrawl symtoms.

HonestChieffan · 02-01-2007, 11:39 AM

yepper, normally one can have a different view but this issue seems to polarize the pro pit bull side.

Im not out trying to ban the damn things but I can understand why people do feel they dont want them around their kids.

But then I have been declared stupid by the pro side so what do I know.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-01-2007, 11:47 AM

The wording of this proposal is off the reservation and will never pass. Getting worked up over it gives it undue legitimacy.

I don't have a problem with pit bulls right now, but in all honesty, I wouldn't want them around my kids, if I had them, or my dog. I'm not saying that they are bad dogs all the time, but to assume that they weren't bred for fighting and that they aren't more aggressive than your run of the mill dog is a little absurd.

However, the problem stems from the fact that a good portion of the people who get pit bulls are bad owners, and only get them because of the aura of machismo surrounding the breed. When you have a volatile dog whose owners are poor, you're going to get a menace. That's not saying that there aren't other breeds that have this problem (Akitas, Chows even come to mind), but you also can't ignore the problems that pit bulls have had.

I'm sure that they can be perfectly well adjusted dogs with good owners, but not every owner is a good owner and the risks you run with fighting-type breeds are very high if the owners aren't responsible.

Personally, I'm on the fence on this issue. BD, I admire your passion for the breed, and I'm sure that if there were more people like you who had pit bulls, they wouldn't have the reputation that they do, but there aren't.

HonestChieffan · 02-01-2007, 11:48 AM

well said

acesn8s · 02-01-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

yepper, normally one can have a different view but this issue seems to polarize the pro pit bull side.

Im not out trying to ban the damn things but I can understand why people do feel they dont want them around their kids.

But then I have been declared stupid by the pro side so what do I know.

I don't want them around my kids but then there are alot of people I don't want around my kids too. Last time I checked they haven't banned any bleeding heart liberals anywhere.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-01-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by acesn8s

I don't want them around my kids but then there are alot of people I don't want around my kids too. Last time I checked they haven't banned any bleeding heart liberals anywhere.

They're called Promise Keeper events.

BIG_DADDY · 02-01-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The wording of this proposal is off the reservation and will never pass. Getting worked up over it gives it undue legitimacy.

I don't have a problem with pit bulls right now, but in all honesty, I wouldn't want them around my kids, if I had them, or my dog. I'm not saying that they are bad dogs all the time, but to assume that they weren't bred for fighting and that they aren't more aggressive than your run of the mill dog is a little absurd.

However, the problem stems from the fact that a good portion of the people who get pit bulls are bad owners, and only get them because of the aura of machismo surrounding the breed. When you have a volatile dog whose owners are poor, you're going to get a menace. That's not saying that there aren't other breeds that have this problem (Akitas, Chows even come to mind), but you also can't ignore the problems that pit bulls have had.

I'm sure that they can be perfectly well adjusted dogs with good owners, but not every owner is a good owner and the risks you run with fighting-type breeds are very high if the owners aren't responsible.

Personally, I'm on the fence on this issue. BD, I admire your passion for the breed, and I'm sure that if there were more people like you who had pit bulls, they wouldn't have the reputation that they do, but there aren't.

Much of their reputation is created. We have went over this many times. They are not more likely to bite people than any other breed. MOF they are less likely. Problem is when they are taught to be human aggressive or don't have exposure to kids you can have a problem. Last B-day party my buddy had for his daughter that turned 6 there were lots of kids there with 2 pits. Nobody said a word because they were her friends and had a lot of exposure to the breed. I have found that people who say things like HCF have had zero exposure to the breed and have just bought into the PETA & HSUS agenda being pushed through the media meaning their opinion is based upon ignorance.

Radar Chief · 02-01-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Its certainly not baiting to have an opinion on the issue that is contrary. I just see no need for pit bulls as a pet.

I understand the pet owners desire to have them I just dont think they are a reasonable choice..I know if one lived near me Id do whatever i could to be rid of it legally.

And if a community decides to ban them, thats fine with me. I dont see banning pit bulls as the next assault on our way of life.

You are statistically much more likely to be bitten by a Chihuahua than a pit bull. I see no need for anyone to own’em, why shouldn’t they be banned also?

**Lzen** · 02-01-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by acesn8s

But not all dogs are bad. If you have a dog in your house and he barks at someone approaching your door, he is considered a guard dog and therefore banned by the outlined criteria.

That's what I was thinking. By that criteria, a chihuahua or poodle could be considered a dangerous dog. Plus, I don't care for the breed specific parts.

Pitt Gorilla · 02-01-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Either you are the biggest idiot here or you're baiting me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the latter.

Can you argue without personal attacks? I agree with your position here, but you aren't defending it very well.

01-31-2007, 06:45 PM
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $2558410	Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds. I got to pat myself on the back, some of you said I was crazy. WTF is going on out there in Kansas and Missouri? The mass majority of the country is throwing out BSL but you guys are catering to PETA and HSUS like nobody else by far. Fast track to the slaughter of man's best friend. Sec. 6-25. Dangerous dogs. (a) As used in this section, “dangerous dog” shall mean and include any of the following: (1) Any dog, whether purebred or mix, which is more than ninety (90) days old, and has the appearance and characteristics of any one or more of the following breed(s): i. American Pit Bull Terrier ii. American Staffordshire Terrier iii. Bull Terrier iv. Staffordshire Bull Terrier v. Argentine Dogo vi. Cane Corso vii. Dogue de Bordeaux viii. Dogo Cubano ix. Dogo Sardesco x. Fila Brasileiro xi. Perro de Presa Canario xii. Wolf hybrids (2) Any dog which has attacked a human being or domestic animal without provocation; or (3) Any dog, while at-large, that, without provocation, exhibits aggression or combativeness toward a person or another domestic animal in an apparent attack, whether or not said person or animal is actually attacked, bitten, or otherwise physically injured; or (4) Any dog kept or harbored primarily, or in part, for the purpose of dog fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or (5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used primarily to guard public or private property; or (6) Any dog which is known to his keeper or harborer, or reasonably should be known to his keeper or harborer, to have a propensity, tendency or disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger the safety of human beings or domestic animals. It is hereby declared to
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02-01-2007, 11:34 AM	#19
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HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1565691	yepper, normally one can have a different view but this issue seems to polarize the pro pit bull side. Im not out trying to ban the damn things but I can understand why people do feel they dont want them around their kids. But then I have been declared stupid by the pro side so what do I know. __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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02-01-2007, 11:47 AM	#23
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7149572	The wording of this proposal is off the reservation and will never pass. Getting worked up over it gives it undue legitimacy. I don't have a problem with pit bulls right now, but in all honesty, I wouldn't want them around my kids, if I had them, or my dog. I'm not saying that they are bad dogs all the time, but to assume that they weren't bred for fighting and that they aren't more aggressive than your run of the mill dog is a little absurd. However, the problem stems from the fact that a good portion of the people who get pit bulls are bad owners, and only get them because of the aura of machismo surrounding the breed. When you have a volatile dog whose owners are poor, you're going to get a menace. That's not saying that there aren't other breeds that have this problem (Akitas, Chows even come to mind), but you also can't ignore the problems that pit bulls have had. I'm sure that they can be perfectly well adjusted dogs with good owners, but not every owner is a good owner and the risks you run with fighting-type breeds are very high if the owners aren't responsible. Personally, I'm on the fence on this issue. BD, I admire your passion for the breed, and I'm sure that if there were more people like you who had pit bulls, they wouldn't have the reputation that they do, but there aren't. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-01-2007, 11:48 AM	#24
HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1565691	well said __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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