It would be nice if the law allowed for a little empathy - Page 2

Hydrae · 03-14-2007, 01:15 PM

This kind of crap just simply pisses me off!

Why don't they just go ahead and sentence her to prison since they obviously don't care if she even lives. And don't even get me started on states rights.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/...ical_marijuana

SAN FRANCISCO - A California woman whose doctor says marijuana is the only medicine keeping her alive is not immune from federal prosecution on drug charges, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday.

The case was brought by Angel Raich, an Oakland mother of two who suffers from scoliosis, a brain tumor, chronic nausea and other ailments. On her doctor's advice, she eats or smokes marijuana every couple of hours to ease her pain and bolster a nonexistent appetite as conventional drugs did not work.

The Supreme Court ruled against Raich two years ago, saying that medical marijuana users and their suppliers could be prosecuted for breaching federal drug laws even if they lived in a state such as California where medical pot is legal.

Because of that ruling, the issue before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals was narrowed to the so-called right to life theory: that marijuana should be allowed if it is the only viable option to keep a patient alive.

Raich, 41, began sobbing when she was told of the decision and said she would continue using the drug.

"I'm sure not going to let them kill me," she said. "Oh my God."

**noa** · 03-14-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I really think it is a states rights issue and the feds should back off...I dunno how the supremes could say no to her but uphold the right to die law in oregon...seems very similar to me ...except the minor detail that the drugs in oregon are used to kill and in california to keep alive

They claimed it was related interstate commerce, which I think is bogus because medical marijuana can legally (according to state law) because grown and consumed within state borders, thus not involving interstate commerce. I think that's why Clarence Thomas sided with Raich.

tooge · 03-14-2007, 01:58 PM

yeah, lets see, a pack of 20 J's with about $5 tax. Sell a few hbillion packs a year, that pretty much takes care of social security and education, maybe it would fix the healthcare for the uninsured, I dont know, but it sure would be better to have something that alot of people use make money than to spend money trying to eradicate it. It is really no different than how alcohol is taxed, neither are really good for you, but neither does real harm in moderation. what is the hangup?

Hydrae · 03-14-2007, 02:00 PM

Oh, but if you have a terrible cancer you don't have to pay for crimes. In the same state even! (see bolded part in particular)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/...kard_directors

SAN JOSE, Calif. - A judge dropped all charges against former Hewlett-Packard Co. board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn, who was accused of fraud in the boardroom spying scheme that rocked one of Silicon Valley's most respected companies.

Three other defendants in the case also will avoid jail time after their lawyers entered no contest pleas Wednesday to misdemeanor charges of fraudulent wire communications in Santa Clara Superior Court.

Judge Ray E. Cunningham did not immediately accept the pleas by former HP ethics chief Kevin Hunsaker, and private investigators Ronald DeLia and Matthew DePante, and said the charges against them will also be dropped in September after they complete 96 hours of community service and make restitution.

State prosecutors announced earlier Wednesday that Dunn and the three other defendants had agreed to plead guilty to reduced charges and that Dunn would be spared community service because of her health. She revealed last year that she was being treated for advanced ovarian cancer.

But the office of Attorney General Jerry Brown later said that release was incorrect. Lawyers for Dunn and the other defendants said deal with the state called for Dunn's case to be dismissed.

"This is a vindication of Patty Dunn in every sense of the word," said her lawyer, James Brosnahan. "It shows what she's maintained throughout: that she's innocent of these charges."

The four were initially charged in October with four felony counts: use of false or fraudulent pretenses to obtain confidential information from a public utility; unauthorized access to computer data; identity theft; and conspiracy to commit each of those crimes.

Each of those charges carried a fine of up to $10,000 and three years in prison.

While the deal with state prosecutors allows all four defendants to escape jail time, federal prosecutors have said their investigation of the HP leaks probe is ongoing.

"The guilty pleas offered today will not prevent federal prosecutors from filing criminal charges against Hunsaker, DeLia or DePante — if they so choose," the attorney general's office said in its statement.

Dunn, Hunsaker, DeLia and Depante did not attend Wednesday's hearing.

A fifth defendant, private investigator Bryan Wagner, was also charged by the state in October. But the state's case against him was dropped after Wagner pleaded guilty to the same charges in federal court and agreed to testify for the prosecution.

No other federal charges have been filed in connection with HP's effort to spy on its own board members.

The boardroom scandal shook Hewlett-Packard, with Dunn stepping down as chairwoman and several other top executives resigning over their roles in the subterfuge.

HP's investigation, which took place in 2005 and 2006, erupted into a national scandal after HP disclosed that the detectives it hired had obtained the private phone records of directors, employees and journalists in an effort to ferret out the source of media leaks.

Using a shady tactic known as "pretexting," the detectives obtained the Social Security numbers of their targets and fooled telephone companies into divulging their detailed call logs.

Shares of the region's oldest and biggest technology company were unscathed by the scandal, as the stock price steadily rose through much of last year.

HP's stock was up 15 cents, to $39.70, in afternoon trading Wednesday on the New York Stock Exchange.

Redrum_69 · 03-14-2007, 02:00 PM

Wtf is moderation?!?!?

people use alcohol and smoking moderately???

Interesting concept. I find myself either totally sober...or drunk as a skunk on long islands and rock lobsters

jynni · 03-14-2007, 02:03 PM

Maybe she could seek assylum in Amsterdam?

teedubya · 03-14-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

yeah, lets see, a pack of 20 J's with about $5 tax. Sell a few hbillion packs a year, that pretty much takes care of social security and education, maybe it would fix the healthcare for the uninsured, I dont know, but it sure would be better to have something that alot of people use make money than to spend money trying to eradicate it. It is really no different than how alcohol is taxed, neither are really good for you, but neither does real harm in moderation. what is the hangup?

a billion packs? Do you know long it would take most people to smoke 20 J's?

Mr. Laz · 03-14-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Link or b&?

what's your point?

DenverChief · 03-14-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949

They claimed it was related interstate commerce, which I think is bogus because medical marijuana can legally (according to state law) because grown and consumed within state borders, thus not involving interstate commerce. I think that's why Clarence Thomas sided with Raich.

I'm familiar with the argument, the feds tried to use it in their case against Oregon but the supremes ruled against the feds because IIRC of the 10th amendment...I could be wrong...I'll have to look it up again but I know the main argument by the feds was the drugs (used to euthanize people) cross state lines

Redrum_69 · 03-14-2007, 02:13 PM

Why not solve the problem and move over seas

DenverChief · 03-14-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69

Why not solve the problem and move over seas

I can't imagine with all her spare time after fighting all of the ailments she has money saved up from her full time job....

**Baby Lee** · 03-14-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

what's your point?

You were there.

InChiefsHeaven · 03-14-2007, 02:18 PM

If Medical Marijuana is legal, why can't her doctor prescribe it to her??

crazycoffey · 03-14-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949

Don't we have better things to do with our law enforcement?

Mr. Laz · 03-14-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You were there.

so where did i post a story in this thread without a link?

**noa** · 03-14-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

If Medical Marijuana is legal, why can't her doctor prescribe it to her??

Because he'd lose his medical license. He can recommend it for her by state law, but he can't legally prescribe marijuana because it is a Schedule I controlled substance.

03-14-2007, 01:15 PM
Hydrae MVP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newport, Or Casino cash: $-1163000	It would be nice if the law allowed for a little empathy This kind of crap just simply pisses me off! Why don't they just go ahead and sentence her to prison since they obviously don't care if she even lives. And don't even get me started on states rights. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/...ical_marijuana SAN FRANCISCO - A California woman whose doctor says marijuana is the only medicine keeping her alive is not immune from federal prosecution on drug charges, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday. The case was brought by Angel Raich, an Oakland mother of two who suffers from scoliosis, a brain tumor, chronic nausea and other ailments. On her doctor's advice, she eats or smokes marijuana every couple of hours to ease her pain and bolster a nonexistent appetite as conventional drugs did not work. The Supreme Court ruled against Raich two years ago, saying that medical marijuana users and their suppliers could be prosecuted for breaching federal drug laws even if they lived in a state such as California where medical pot is legal. Because of that ruling, the issue before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals was narrowed to the so-called right to life theory: that marijuana should be allowed if it is the only viable option to keep a patient alive. Raich, 41, began sobbing when she was told of the decision and said she would continue using the drug. "I'm sure not going to let them kill me," she said. "Oh my God."
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03-14-2007, 01:58 PM	#17
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $644112	yeah, lets see, a pack of 20 J's with about $5 tax. Sell a few hbillion packs a year, that pretty much takes care of social security and education, maybe it would fix the healthcare for the uninsured, I dont know, but it sure would be better to have something that alot of people use make money than to spend money trying to eradicate it. It is really no different than how alcohol is taxed, neither are really good for you, but neither does real harm in moderation. what is the hangup?
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03-14-2007, 02:00 PM	#18
Hydrae MVP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newport, Or Casino cash: $-1163000	Oh, but if you have a terrible cancer you don't have to pay for crimes. In the same state even! (see bolded part in particular) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/...kard_directors SAN JOSE, Calif. - A judge dropped all charges against former Hewlett-Packard Co. board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn, who was accused of fraud in the boardroom spying scheme that rocked one of Silicon Valley's most respected companies. Three other defendants in the case also will avoid jail time after their lawyers entered no contest pleas Wednesday to misdemeanor charges of fraudulent wire communications in Santa Clara Superior Court. Judge Ray E. Cunningham did not immediately accept the pleas by former HP ethics chief Kevin Hunsaker, and private investigators Ronald DeLia and Matthew DePante, and said the charges against them will also be dropped in September after they complete 96 hours of community service and make restitution. State prosecutors announced earlier Wednesday that Dunn and the three other defendants had agreed to plead guilty to reduced charges and that Dunn would be spared community service because of her health. She revealed last year that she was being treated for advanced ovarian cancer. But the office of Attorney General Jerry Brown later said that release was incorrect. Lawyers for Dunn and the other defendants said deal with the state called for Dunn's case to be dismissed. "This is a vindication of Patty Dunn in every sense of the word," said her lawyer, James Brosnahan. "It shows what she's maintained throughout: that she's innocent of these charges." The four were initially charged in October with four felony counts: use of false or fraudulent pretenses to obtain confidential information from a public utility; unauthorized access to computer data; identity theft; and conspiracy to commit each of those crimes. Each of those charges carried a fine of up to $10,000 and three years in prison. While the deal with state prosecutors allows all four defendants to escape jail time, federal prosecutors have said their investigation of the HP leaks probe is ongoing. "The guilty pleas offered today will not prevent federal prosecutors from filing criminal charges against Hunsaker, DeLia or DePante — if they so choose," the attorney general's office said in its statement. Dunn, Hunsaker, DeLia and Depante did not attend Wednesday's hearing. A fifth defendant, private investigator Bryan Wagner, was also charged by the state in October. But the state's case against him was dropped after Wagner pleaded guilty to the same charges in federal court and agreed to testify for the prosecution. No other federal charges have been filed in connection with HP's effort to spy on its own board members. The boardroom scandal shook Hewlett-Packard, with Dunn stepping down as chairwoman and several other top executives resigning over their roles in the subterfuge. HP's investigation, which took place in 2005 and 2006, erupted into a national scandal after HP disclosed that the detectives it hired had obtained the private phone records of directors, employees and journalists in an effort to ferret out the source of media leaks. Using a shady tactic known as "pretexting," the detectives obtained the Social Security numbers of their targets and fooled telephone companies into divulging their detailed call logs. Shares of the region's oldest and biggest technology company were unscathed by the scandal, as the stock price steadily rose through much of last year. HP's stock was up 15 cents, to $39.70, in afternoon trading Wednesday on the New York Stock Exchange.
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03-14-2007, 02:00 PM	#19
Redrum_69 Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: your nightmares Casino cash: $10004900	Wtf is moderation?!?!? people use alcohol and smoking moderately??? Interesting concept. I find myself either totally sober...or drunk as a skunk on long islands and rock lobsters
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03-14-2007, 02:03 PM	#20
jynni Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $-1343669	Maybe she could seek assylum in Amsterdam?
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03-14-2007, 02:13 PM	#24
Redrum_69 Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: your nightmares Casino cash: $10004900	Why not solve the problem and move over seas
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03-14-2007, 02:18 PM	#27
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $605437	If Medical Marijuana is legal, why can't her doctor prescribe it to her?? __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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